The Man Month, Shaan's Feud with Jason Calacanis, Elon vs Zuckerberg Fight

**Shaan Puri** (0:00)
He needs a hold-me-back guy. You're at a hold-me-back guy, you're in a fight, and you're like, hey, listen, I'm gonna go out to these guys. I need you to hold me back. So I'm not actually trying to fight this guy. I need it to look like I'm trying to fight this guy, and I need you to hold me back, and it's gotta be, oh, if these guys weren't holding me, I would have kicked your ass.
He needs to find a hold-me-back guy.

**Sam Parr** (0:16)
I think Elon's hold-me-back guy is gonna be a hard sneeze. He's one hard sneeze away from getting a back smasher. You know what I'm saying?
All right, we are live. What's going on?

**Shaan Puri** (0:36)
Dude, amazing hoodie. Sick hoodie.

**Sam Parr** (0:39)
Do you like that? Hampton?

**Shaan Puri** (0:41)
Yeah, that is very nice.

**Sam Parr** (0:42)
I had a team off-site. We had all of our employees get together in Brooklyn and the CEO, my CEO, Jordan, organized this lovely event and he gave us all hoodies that say Hampton and then our city, what we live in.

**Shaan Puri** (0:54)
You're a stressful dude to organize an event for. I've never had to do it, but I've been a part of events where people are organizing for us and I'm like, they're like, oh, yeah, by the way, it's everything, you know, the venue changed and we forgot, you know, there's only one chair on stage. I'm like, it's cool.

**Sam Parr** (1:11)
No problem.

**Shaan Puri** (1:12)
And then you're like, what the hell?
And so I would be very stressed if I had to throw a offside or an event where you were my like kind of core customer of it. Is that fair?

**Sam Parr** (1:26)
Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. But let me explain my reasoning behind that. And this is very business related. Number one, I believe the way you do one little thing is the way you do everything. So what that means, though, is if you've proven to me that I can trust you, I'm all in and I don't question anything.
And so until you've proven that to me, I question everything. And if there's not a good answer behind it, I doubt you.
And once we get past that stage, I'm good. The second reason, there is no second reason. I actually forget what it is.

**Shaan Puri** (1:52)
That was a good reason.

**Sam Parr** (1:53)
Oh, I know. The second, here's this, here's the second reason.
And we could actually talk about this for a second if you want. But basically, the second time around you've done something, everything is so much calmer because now my entire reputation, my entire net worth, it's not tied up into this one entity, which is what many things I've done in the past have been. So, I'm much calmer. I'm way more subdued this time.

**Shaan Puri** (2:16)
Yeah, I think that's true for sure. And do you find yourself thinking bigger as a kind of like the way bigger now, you know, this is you've got one win under your belt.
What was the phrase that Justin Maher said? Once you do whatever you got to do to get your nut and after that go for your noble mission. So, you know, you've got your nut now, you know, you're financially secure, you're safe.
Not only are you calmer, but are you more, I don't know, ambitious or long term oriented in some way?

**Sam Parr** (2:42)
Yes, 100%. I used to criticize founders if they would sell secondary. So you'd read about this a lot. You typically only read about it when it's done in a bad way, of which it's done in a bad way many times. You'll see this company, which is going to go bankrupt, the founders took $50 million off the table and it didn't work out.
The reasoning behind that I think is great still, which is you give an entrepreneur five or $10 million and they're like, wow, I can live a really nice life. Now I think bigger. That's definitely the case with me, I think significantly longer term. So I think like, what's this like in 20 or 30 years as opposed to next quarter?
And I don't care if it fails, which is actually a good thing, meaning I'm able to try more within it. I what have I said? Treat them mean, keep them keen. It's like that with trying to find a date and make money. So like the less I care, the more it happens.

**Shaan Puri** (3:33)
Yeah, the way I think about it is like, because you see examples on both sides, you see when somebody had no other option back against the wall, that's when they rose to the occasion.