ROLL ON: Stop Optimizing Your Life & Start Living It, Seeking Depth Over Algorithms, The Future of Podcasting, Artemis II, Media Diet & More

**Rich Roll** (0:00)
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Hey, everybody. Welcome to Roll On Alfresco Style.

**Adam Skolnick** (1:26)
Oh, nice.

**Rich Roll** (1:27)
How are you doing, man?

**Adam Skolnick** (1:28)
It's good to see you, man.

**Rich Roll** (1:29)
Welcome to my backyard.

**Adam Skolnick** (1:30)
It's nice to be this much closer. Thank you.

**Rich Roll** (1:32)
I know. Yeah. We did a solo episode recently outdoors. People seem to enjoy it.
And so why not do it again?

**Adam Skolnick** (1:42)
Yeah, man.

**Rich Roll** (1:42)
More is better, right?

**Adam Skolnick** (1:43)
Yeah. I might not leave here, by the way. After this, I'm going to use your gym and then your sauna and cold plunge facility, and then I might sleep there tonight.

**Rich Roll** (1:54)
You're always welcome, but you should check the Airbnb app to make sure it's available.
This is a bit nostalgic because for years, we recorded the podcast at my house. You can't see it, but right off camera over there is a room where we recorded, I don't know, how many episodes up until COVID, and then we transitioned into a studio. But it's nice to be back here. I'm feeling nostalgic. We actually had some technical difficulties right before recording, which is part of the nostalgia, I suppose. It's nice, dude. I want to just have a low-key casual hang with you, which is part of this reimagination and experimentation and exploration that we're doing with the show these days. As somebody who's been podcasting for coming up on 14 years, we're breathing a little bit of fresh air into this experience, and I'm having more fun doing it than I have in a long time by trying things and recognizing there are no rules. When the podcast began, it was just all fun and adventure, and I was a traveling salesman with a case, and I would go to people's houses and record in hotel rooms and conference rooms. I wasn't making any money. I never thought that it would be a revenue generating enterprise, and then it became successful, and then it became like this whole thing, like this engine, and it got easier and easier to just do it a certain way. And I think I lost touch with the experimentation and the trying of new things.

**Adam Skolnick** (3:39)
The beginner's mind.

**Rich Roll** (3:40)
Yeah, the beginner's mind. And now we're in this new phase, and it feels much more like play, and I'm enjoying it. Hopefully, that's translating to the audience. And the solo episode. So it started with the looks maxing episode that we did. Correct.

**Adam Skolnick** (3:54)
That was experimental.

**Rich Roll** (3:55)
By the way, how old is Zuma now?

**Adam Skolnick** (3:57)
Five, five and a half.

**Rich Roll** (4:00)
So what's his relationship with looks maxing? Has he signed up for Andrew Tate's Academy yet?

**Adam Skolnick** (4:05)
You know, at his age, at his age, he is still not really self-conscious. Just a little bit. But like, at his age, you can't really, like if you said something to him about his looks, he would just laugh and he'd have a good time with it. It wouldn't even phase him.

**Rich Roll** (4:19)
So Clavicular hasn't gotten his claws into Zuma yet.

**Adam Skolnick** (4:22)
No, but I worry because he doesn't like boo-boos. So when he gets a boo-boo, he's very consumed with when will the boo-boo go away?