Nancy Guthrie: Is the Death Note Actually a Confession?!

**Tony Brueski** (0:01)
This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Dre.
We got a lot to get through today. New stuff going on in the Nancy Guthrie and Alec Murdaugh case, and Bob Motta is with us to help break it all down. We'll start with Nancy. She was taken from her Tucson home five months ago in case you've been living under a rock. 84 years old. Just in case. Just in case. Nancy who?
84 years old. Pulled out in the middle of the night by someone who showed up armed and masked on her own doorbell camera. 50,000 tips, a million dollars in reward money, FBI and Pima County Sheriff running parallel investigations, although seemingly at odds a lot of the time, and nobody can name a single suspect. Meanwhile, notes claiming to be from the abductor say Nancy is dead and a completely separate person has been e-mailing TMZ claiming he has the whole case on a phone, but you need to give me a Bitcoin and I'll tell you where I'm hitting the phone and the phone's a silver platter and la da da da da da da da da da da. We're going to get into all of that today. Like I said, Bob Motta, Defense Attorney with us, Defense Diaries, you can get his podcast, YouTube, wherever you get podcasts. And of course, Robin Drake, Retired FBI Special Agent Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Start here, five months, 50,000 tips, more than a million dollars in reward money. The FBI hasn't publicly named a single person of interest yet. A lot of people, Bob, are speculating, what's taking so long here? But let's take a look at it from an angle of prosecuting a case like this. You really got to make sure those T's are crossed and those I's are dotted and not inversely the other way.
Do you think that maybe they have some leads back somewhere and they're making sure that it's going to stand up really good if you're going to get the person arrested and put them in a cell or are they just hitting a dead end? From your experience in the legal world, what's your thoughts?

**Bob Motta** (2:09)
Well, potentially, yes, I think they probably have some leads, whether or not they're strong enough to bring a case, because at this point, it's a no body case.

**Tony Brueski** (2:20)
Yep.

**Bob Motta** (2:21)
But look, we've seen the trend in the last couple of decades. No body cases, you know, it used to be the old thing, no body, no crime.

**Tony Brueski** (2:28)
Yep.

**Bob Motta** (2:29)
That's not the case anymore. They've been trying no body cases and been trying them successfully, so I don't think that that's the final impediment. I think it's impediment if they have somebody who maybe checks a few boxes, but we don't want somebody who's checking a few boxes. We want the fucking actual person that did it. You know what I mean?
There's my defense attorney coming out, like we want to catch the actual perp or perpetrators of this. We don't want somebody that's just somebody that they might be able to cram a square peg into a round hole with, because that's not justice for the Guthrie family. Certainly not justice for Nancy. So I think we can all assume, sadly, at this point, that she's no longer with us. So I don't know, man. I tend to think that they probably don't have a real strong lead.

**Tony Brueski** (3:23)
I mean, it's interesting, because there's so many boxes you want to check here, and it's going to be up to the prosecutor in the DA in the case of, OK, this is enough, if they have somebody on their radar before they go and make an arrest or anything like that.
If you look at some other cases, sometimes we look at cases and go, well, my god, you've had a lot. It took you this long to arrest the person, like David, for example, that case, the D4VD. We were talking forever. This is a cornucopia of incriminating shit. But it took them some time to really get there to be sure that everything completely checked out before they made that arrest. That's a case that's a little more black and white, if you will, or just more direct. There's so much nuance here, so much we don't know how much is actually part of the case, not part of the case, evidence that's actually there, or just nuance. That's got to make it a lot harder from a prosecutorial standpoint to, I guess, pull the trigger on somebody. But first, you got to have somebody to pull the trigger on.