Mark Zuckerberg on the AI bubble and Meta's new display glasses | ACCESS

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**Kara Swisher** (1:29)
Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. We're off for the holiday today, but we have a special episode from Access with Alex Heath and Ellis Hamburger for you today. In this episode, Alex and Ellis talk all things Mark Zuckerberg, from the newest Meta Ray-Ban display glasses to the beverage selections in the new Meta AI Lab. Alex then sits down with Zuck himself ahead of the 2025 Meta Connect conference. Enjoy and we'll be back in your feeds on Friday.

**Alex Heath** (1:58)
I mean, didn't you just tell Trump you were going to spend like $600 billion? I mean, that's-

**Mark Zuckerberg** (2:01)
I did. Yeah, through 2028, which is-

**Alex Heath** (2:03)
That's a lot of money.

**Mark Zuckerberg** (2:05)
It is.
And if we end up misspending a couple of hundred billion dollars, I think that that is going to be very unfortunate obviously. But what I'd say is I actually think the risk is higher on the other side.

**Alex Heath** (2:25)
Welcome to Access from the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Alex Heath and Ellis, you are.

**Ellis Hamburger** (2:31)
I am Ellis Hamburger, not your favorite sandwich, but your new favorite podcast host.

**Alex Heath** (2:37)
I have had a lot of people since I've been saying that I'm doing a show with you, ask me if your actual last name is Hamburger.

**Ellis Hamburger** (2:45)
It is verified.

**Alex Heath** (2:47)
Yeah, and you have an hamburger on X, which is a flex.

**Ellis Hamburger** (2:52)
That's why I'm so scared to leave. Don't make me leave.

**Alex Heath** (2:56)
Ellis, why are we doing a podcast? I feel like there's so many podcasts, but I've been getting that question a lot too.

**Ellis Hamburger** (3:04)
Yeah, Alex, I think we have great chemistry. We've known each other for a long time. We both, I think, see a different side of tech as it is today. I feel like you're so well connected in big tech. You love to schmooze with all the biggest founders. I do love to schmooze. Yeah, you do. I've got a good stranglehold on the AI startup arena with the work that I've been doing at Meening, and I feel like we could just really bring something different. I mean, you've been in media forever. I was starting in media at The Verge, then went into startup world for a while at Snapchat and the browser company.
I think we have something interesting. I think we want to talk about the inside conversation, what people are really thinking and talking about, as opposed to just what's in the headlines. Inside. Hopefully, we could do that.

**Alex Heath** (3:56)
Yeah. I think we both just wanted to make a show we wanted to listen to and didn't feel like a show like that existed. I hope we're going to make that. I think we will, and it feels really fun to be doing it with you.
The way we're going to structure these episodes is, it's a talk show, an interview show, pretty standard. You and I are going to rap about some things happening in our world, things we think that you're going to want to know about, even if you're pretty plugged in, that's coming soon or stuff that just hit. Then we're going to go usually to an interview, either with a big name. This week, we've got the one and only Mark Zuckerberg. Next week, we've got Dylan Field, the CEO of Figma for his first pod since the biggest tech IPO of the year. We're going to have an interesting mix of, I think, big names and then also early stage founders, some of which you work with directly at meaning that we just think people should know about, that are going to be the companies that you're going to be hearing about in the next few years or maybe already. We want to make something that feels good if you're tapped in, but also relevant if you just want to know more about this crazy tech world we're in. Did I get all that right?