How Do You Wall Off Someone Like Kouri Richins From Her Victims?

**Tony Brueski** (0:00)
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**Tony Brueski** (0:17)
Well, well, well, well. If you saw the other day the Kouri Richins case.

**Tony Brueski** (0:25)
There you go.

**Tony Brueski** (0:26)
There we go. Right graphic.
You saw quite a show. You saw the sentencing of Kouri Richins. If you watch that, if not, and you're looking for a good four hours of your life, you'll never get back, go ahead and watch it.
But it is very telling, especially if you're one like a lot of us, that find the behavior of narcissists, borderlines of psychopaths, sociopaths fascinating. It's one to watch. It really is. The judge told the courtroom upfront, no outward reactions. And of course, within minutes, Kouri Richins is making faces of disgust, rolling her eyes, mouthing, what? And whispering to her lawyers while Eric's family spoke of the destruction that she rained down upon their family and her own children. And she kept doing it. Well, three therapists read letters from her own children, kids who called her Kouri, not mom, and begged the judge to put her away forever. We're going to be going through all of that, the various moments in that trial, the contempt caught on camera, Kouri's reactions to Eric's family and her own children. We're also going to be discussing the reactions that she had when her folks were singing her praises to the room, and then also her 40-minute rambling psychopathic speech where she threatens to come back and stalk her children who just begged her to never get out of prison. Joining us to do all this, one of our favorite people to talk about crazy people with, Siobhan Scott, psychotherapist and author, is here, along with Robin Drake, as always, retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Siobhan, let's start with our first area here, the contempt on camera, not only for Eric's family, but seemingly her own children's statements. The judge specifically saying, tone the reactions down, no reaction, and Kouri immediately. It's almost like she took that as her cue.
Oh, what? You're speaking to me? Me, Ms. Narcissist? I got something to show you. And began mouthing, what? While Eric's sisters were speaking. I mean, is this someone who just can't help it or someone who doesn't think the rules really apply to her?

**Siobhan Scott** (3:01)
I think it's both. I think it's both. I saw when I was watching and I had to watch it in segments. I didn't watch the whole thing at once, but I think I caught all of it in bits. But I just saw a convergence of entitlement, immaturity, and distorted thinking.
She's got a story, she's sticking to it, and in her mind, how dare people say anything negative about her. She shows poor impulse control and just can't contain herself.

**Robin Drake** (3:30)
Siobhan, one of the terms she kept using throughout her monologue was that term love. It really struck me because she kept using it.
I think, and I know you're going to get into this with psychopathy and their lack of ability in a lot of different areas when it comes to emotions, but I was really curious about how you think she defines what love is.
I'm curious because I'm going to throw a conjecture on topic is what Tony just said about the stalking of her children. I wonder, do you think she equates stalking equals love, or is it some other definition you think she has for it, or is it just a term she throws out there because she knows that people want to hear that?

**Siobhan Scott** (4:08)
Love to a psychopathic or narcissistic person is really a different experience than something the way that the rest of us experience.

**Robin Drake** (4:18)
What a kind way to say that. Yeah, go ahead.

**Siobhan Scott** (4:20)
It's a different, and it implies, I think often more ownership.
You belong to me, you are mine, which is why when we talk so much about the domestic violence situations or the familial side where the perpetrator murders their family, and it's like they see you as objects, and they'll use the word love, but it's a very different kind of experience. I don't honestly, I say this a lot and people think I'm weird. I don't really like the word love because it's too nonspecific.

**Robin Drake** (4:52)
Yeah, it's effective.

**Siobhan Scott** (4:53)
You'll see really pathological people talking about how much they love other people, and they're people that they may end up killing.