Buckley Carlson: Writing Trump’s Speeches, Trump’s Shocking Texts to MTG, and the Epstein Cover-up

**Tucker Carlson** (0:04)
For at least 10 years now, hating Trump has been the surest possible indication of liberalism. If you really hate Donald Trump, probably filled with hate for the United States, probably hate whites, probably anxious to give kids the COVID vax and castrate boys and put non-binary people on the swim team or whatever. But there was pretty much for about a decade, a one-to-one correlation between disliking Donald Trump, hating Donald Trump, Trump Derangement Syndrome, and liberalism, or it's weird American manifestation. But now in a weird moment and even stranger moment, where a lot of people who really like Trump are very disappointed in Trump, in fact, more than disappointed, feel betrayed or enraged, feel like suckers, feel like they've been taken for a ride. How could I possibly have supported that given what it became?
A lot of people seem to feel that way. But do a lot of people seem to feel that way? Do they actually feel that way? Well, according to polls on CNN, 100 percent of MAGA voters still support Trump.
Is that real? Well, it's really hard to know, given how fraudulent so much polling is. So we thought we would speak to the one person we know who sincerely supported Trump from the very beginning, wrote speeches for Trump in 2015, voted for Trump three times, knew people within the Trump White House, worked with the Trump White House, and all along that period, 10 years supported Trump in public, not on television, which is easy, but in his own neighborhood, which was 100 percent Trump haters. That person is my brother, it turns out, Buckley Carlson, Uncle Buck, as he's known to us. And so we thought we would sit down and ask him, are we imagining this? Did the guy you supported from 2015 in the face of social sanction like you wouldn't believe, did that guy just betray everything you believe and the reasons you supported him in the first place? Are we imagining this? Is it real?
Here's the conversation we had with Uncle Buck. You were the first person I knew personally who supported Donald Trump. And I remember thinking later when I thought about it, I was like, you're a lifelong resident, 40-year resident of Washington, DC, which voted for Trump in 2016 at 4.1 percent. So you were in the 4 percent of district residents who supported Trump, and you're a WASP, and that's the group that hated Trump most. How did you wind up supporting Trump in 2015?

**Buckley Carlson** (2:54)
The departure, Trump represented a departure that I had never seen in Washington. He was, first I should say, I knew him my entire life as anybody who grew up in the 80s did.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:04)
Right.

**Buckley Carlson** (3:05)
Because he was such a, I didn't know him personally, I know you did. But I knew of him as everybody around us did because he was such a carnival barker of self-promotion.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:17)
Yeah.

**Buckley Carlson** (3:18)
Gold-dipped braggadocio, lying. I mean, he was a performer and he was the creator of his own story, which on the one hand was disgusting because he was a man of obvious faults. I mean, he was gross and loud and brash and crude and a serial adulterer, and all the things that you probably wouldn't want to be and certainly wouldn't want your children to be.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:45)
Well, that's why the Wasp didn't like him because he bragged about himself.

**Buckley Carlson** (3:48)
Yes.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:48)
Which is like rule one, you can't do that this way. My children didn't like, it's like-

**Buckley Carlson** (3:53)
Very much so.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:54)
Yeah. So that was a massive hurdle.
I mean, they already had a candidate called Jeb Bush.

**Buckley Carlson** (3:59)
I was aware, I was compelled actually for the first time ever by some of my clients to actually contribute to Jeb Bush.

**Tucker Carlson** (4:05)
But he was the consensus choice of his people. I mean, he'd converted to Catholicism, but no one really took that seriously. He was a birthright Episcopalian, like everyone knew, this is our guy.

**Buckley Carlson** (4:15)
It was his time.

**Tucker Carlson** (4:16)
It was his time.

**Buckley Carlson** (4:18)
He was the adult in the room. I remember early on actually, he raised $100 million famously, obviously, and he was just the guy that was going to take us.

**Tucker Carlson** (4:25)
But did you even know anyone who didn't support him?

**Buckley Carlson** (4:28)
I didn't know a single person who didn't support him. No.
But he had his domestic policy, his foreign policy, everything about him, nothing about him was exciting. All of it was poll tested, as everything in Washington had been up until the moment Trump came on the scene.