**Tucker Carlson** (0:04)
Carrie, thank you for doing this. I've been watching you on the internet, I've never met you, but I'm grateful for your honesty and your bravery. And the precision of what you say, you never in the face of all this criticism, never got so mad that you revealed ugly sentiments, which I don't think you have. You just stuck right to the Christian case. So bless you for that. How did you get involved in the President's Religious Liberty Commission? What is it? And how did you become a member of it?
**Carrie Prejean Boller** (0:32)
Very good question. So I was Miss California in 2009 Donald Trump owned the Miss USA organization. It was very controversial, but I dared to say on stage that I believe marriage is between one man and one woman.
**Tucker Carlson** (0:45)
Yes.
**Carrie Prejean Boller** (0:45)
And I don't know if you remember that.
**Tucker Carlson** (0:46)
I do remember it. And they punished you for it.
**Carrie Prejean Boller** (0:48)
It was a huge controversy. That was really before anybody was canceled. So I always tell people I was one of the first to be canceled.
**Tucker Carlson** (0:56)
The crazy thing is the majority of Californians agreed with you because they voted in a referendum, pretty overwhelming. Prop 8, which was then invalidated by a judge because democracy is fake. But you were saying what most of your fellow Californians believed.
**Carrie Prejean Boller** (1:12)
100%.
Yeah. And I was just standing on my principles, which is what I'm doing now. So Donald Trump loved me. He said, Carrie, this is going to be the best thing that ever happened to you. I remember one day it was in his office and he's like, Carrie, you have the it factor. And I'm like, what is that? I was 21 years old. I'm like, what does that mean? And he's like, you just have it. He's like, you dared to speak the truth knowing what it would cost you. And I think he really respected me for that. And so at 21, I became this conservative darling, I guess you could say, and dared to stand up for my faith. And I doubled down. You know, they told me, go on, Matt Lauer, and apologize for what you said. You must apologize.
**Tucker Carlson** (1:53)
Did they really tell you that?
**Carrie Prejean Boller** (1:53)
Oh, yeah. Yeah, the pageant people said, go on and apologize. And I turned my phone off. I went on Matt Lauer and he's like, all right, Carrie, let's do a redo. How would you answer the question? I said, I have no regrets. I would literally-
**Tucker Carlson** (2:06)
So you're getting a lecture on sexual ethics from Matt Lauer? Okay.
**Carrie Prejean Boller** (2:10)
The irony of that. Yeah, so I said, I'd rather be biblically correct than politically correct. And from there, it was like, I mean, I was on every news station every day for the four months. It was nonstop. It was to the point of like harassment, like my 90-year-old grandmother was being harassed. I mean, it was insane. But I stood firm and I did not waver.
**Tucker Carlson** (2:33)
And your position, just to restate all these years later, was, I believe, marriages between a man and a woman.
**Carrie Prejean Boller** (2:38)
That was my answer. That's it. I said, no offense to anyone out there. This is the way I was raised. This is what I believe, marriage between one man and one woman. And I got second place and I got dragged through the mud. It was horrible. And the president loved me. And he said, Carrie, this is, what do you want to do? He's like, do you want to be on Dancing with the Stars? Do you want to be on Fox News? I did like a little tryout on the morning show at Fox with Roger Ailes in New York. I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to wake up at 3 a.m. No, you don't. And I said, you know what, Mr. President? I said, all I want to do is get married, be a mom. I had met Kyle and I just said, I just want to go on with my life, but I do want to write a book because nobody can take my story from me. And so he signed off on it. Thank God he did, because it was amazing that I was able to share my story. And I just kept in touch with him all these years. And so, you know, I would defend him when they were calling him a sexist, saying he was going backstage and looking at the girls and Miss USA and the, you know, changing rooms. And I would just constantly be like, no, that's not the guy. Like you're painting him as this sexist, misogynist, racist, you know, and he was being called every name in the book, you remember.
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