**Sam Parr** (0:00)
There's something insane going on in the world right now. This is Black Mirror, right? This is like Amazon Prime's original new series about how tech takes over the world, and then the world's never the same again. Do you know who Hal Finney is?
**Shaan Puri** (0:21)
The man who, up until the New York Times article, I thought was the guy who created Bitcoin, but he's dead.
**Sam Parr** (0:28)
He may have been Satoshi Nakamoto, the guy who created Bitcoin, but even if he wasn't, he was definitely the first person to ever receive Bitcoin from the creator of Bitcoin. He's an OG cryptographer, et cetera.
**Shaan Puri** (0:40)
A founding father.
**Sam Parr** (0:41)
Founding father of Bitcoin. I love this great way of putting it.
I was on his old blog last night and he died, I don't know, he died like 10 plus years ago of ALS. It's like terrible Lou Gehrig's disease.
I went and read the blog post when he announced, when he was sharing that he got diagnosed with ALS and he was feeling totally fine at the time. And I just saw this thing in the comments. It was so weird. It was like watching famous people today, but in some, like when they were like on the Disney show and they're like young or whatever, you know what I mean? It's like, he wasn't famous at this time. He's blogging on his own little personal website. And then the first comment is from this guy Eliezer, whatever, who today is really famous for basically, he's the biggest doomer on AI. So he's the first comment and he's like, have you looked into cryogenics? And then Hal responds, yes, I actually have already, I'm working with Alcor to freeze my body. Did you know that this is actually a thing that happens and how this all works?
**Shaan Puri** (1:40)
Yeah, I knew it because Family Guy made fun of it. Isn't Ted Williams, do you know who Ted Williams is? The famous baseball player?
**Sam Parr** (1:46)
Ted Williams was one of the first people to do this. He's frozen right now.
**Shaan Puri** (1:50)
Yeah, he's frozen. I think that there was a joke that Walt Disney was into it as well. But basically, the idea is you freeze someone when they're dead in hopes that one day will solve this and you can come back to life.
**Sam Parr** (2:02)
So he talked about this company Alcor and it sounds like Alcor. Now, I was really ready for this to be like super evil megacorp.
You pay them tons of money and they freeze your body and they're like, whatever. But it turns out, I think it's a little more innocent than that. It's a non-profit that was started by this husband and wife couple who they read this book. It was a book that was published. It was very influential in this space. And it was basically a book that argued that today, you could do this thing, which is right when you die.
If you're very fast acting, you can essentially do, put like anti-freeze on your body. So you could freeze your body as is.
**Shaan Puri** (2:35)
I think it's liquid nitrogen, not, it's liquid nitrogen, right?
**Sam Parr** (2:38)
Yeah, but it functions almost like, they basically inject something in your veins also, cause they need your cells to not like, or like your veins not collapse or something. So they do, they put something in your vein and they use liquid nitrogen to cool you down.
And then you are cryogenically frozen indefinitely. And I've always thought, I had heard of the concept. I didn't actually fully realize that there's a business behind this. You pay $200,000 and you're frozen and that, they've frozen, I think 200 people have done it, 200 something people have done it. 1500 people have, are working with Alcor saying, freeze me when I die, they just haven't died yet. So I didn't realize like it's a thing. It's like a business that exists that people pay for.
And it's $80,000 just to freeze the head and it's 200 grand to freeze the whole body. And then before you die, you pick up 100 bucks a year to save your spot. And there's like this whole operation behind it. So that was like already fascinating thing number one. Okay, so this kind of led me down a little bit of a rabbit hole of like, I'm like a hyper normal guy. Like I don't really do that much fringe stuff. And I would have never considered doing this. But I've been reading a lot of these stories with AI. We talked about some of them on this podcast about like the guy who cured his dog's cancer. And then you brought up the founder of GitLab, who cured his own cancer using AI in like, hyper personalized targeted medicine.
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