16 Siders Kids: The File That Reset Every Time They Moved

**Tony Brueski** (0:01)
This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Drake.

**Tony Brueski** (0:07)
Every institution designed to protect children in Ohio missed the 16 CIDR kids. Hospitals, schools, child services, welfare, the courts. Now the case of obviously national news and the survival instincts are kicking in.
Let's talk about this agency by agency. Who's failed the most, who's exposed, who's going to move first to rewrite their own role in this. I think that's an interesting thing to watch as we continue to discuss this and this continues to come up because we see the AG's office being very harsh. Great. There's horrible conditions. I forgot the exact terms, but it was very feral children basically.
You have all this. You have all 16 kids born at hospitals. Let's start there. Roughly one delivery every 13 months for 18 years. No prenatal records, no pediatrician ever. Hospitals are mandated reporters. Okay, lovely. There is a system in place for mandated reporting, but it doesn't matter when the reporting goes to an agency that can't do anything. I mean, how does this pattern not ring a single bell somewhere?

**Robin Drake** (1:18)
So when we see a wobble, right, and that's a deviation from what we typically expect in situations like this, and no one else does, that says that it's not a wobble to them.

**Tony Brueski** (1:31)
Yeah.

**Robin Drake** (1:31)
I mean, so when it's not a wobble to them, jeez, I mean, I can't even look at that photo. You gotta take that down. It's horrible.

**Tony Brueski** (1:36)
I know. It's like The Walking Dead. If you were to, like, this is a horror movie cast. I mean.

**Robin Drake** (1:42)
And, you know, my daughter's a nurse, and so I get the HIPAA and stuff on this. We've dealt with it in other cases. And so there's a lot of things in play. I really do think, though, that it's a normalized, I wouldn't say probably to this extreme, but having, I mean, my daughter's told me stories about the people that come in there to give birth, and you have caring, compassionate nurses that do the best they can. They take care of them, and out the door they go. And there's, I mean, I have heard some, and she doesn't even share too much because she can't. But there are some truly horrendous stories out there of what comes in the hospitals to give birth, and once, and there's, they are really limited at what they can, okay, so say they report it. All right, so they do a good job, the hospital reports it.
It's not having prenatal care, it's not illegal. I mean, in other words, only when one thing popped up illegal did someone go in there and see it on a different thing because everything these people did wasn't illegal until, well, at least when it comes to, man, yes, they were, but they were living in such a way that their normal behavior wasn't spiking in anyone's spectrum.

**Tony Brueski** (2:58)
Yeah, because it's such a norm. It's such a norm.

**Robin Drake** (3:00)
It's so normalized, yeah.

**Tony Brueski** (3:02)
Yeah, you don't notice the water in the pool is at a certain temperature, you know, it just, it is what it is. I mean, we have fire departments, we have police departments, should we have people departments? I mean, we kind of do, but those seem to be the least funded and least give a shit about, but those seem to be the things that lead to most of our problems with the police and the fire department. If we could get the people under control a little bit more, we'd have less use for these over here, but we don't fund those well enough to begin with. And certainly the people departments aren't funded well enough either.
I mean, should we have something like that?
I mean, do we need something like that? I think it's almost beyond a should question at this point. And it's, oh, don't tread on my rights. Well, you know what? If you got nothing to hide and you're providing a safe place, the bar doesn't have to be tremendously high. It doesn't have to really super even be based on income. It just has to be based on safety. And any blind person, Ray Charles from the grave, could have told you that that was not a safe place for children. Yet we have all of the living around that are like, you know, they like to collect shit, whatever they're telling themselves.

**Robin Drake** (4:21)
So again, getting granular helps you understand how this problem exists and how it keeps perpetuating. And so it needs more money, needs more funding.