**William Li** (0:00)
I've had patients go from stage four cancer to stage zero. So I have now seen where the end of cancer is coming from. I've seen how the war is going to finish. And here's how.
**Steven Bartlett** (0:10)
Dr. William Li is a Harvard-trained physician and medical scientist whose work is revolutionizing the way we understand and fight some of the most devastating diseases facing our world today.
**William Li** (0:20)
I'm going to give you a brand new view of thinking about cancer. And this is shocking to some people to hear, but every 24 hours, there are 10,000 mistakes that are made in your body. Each of those is a microscopic cancer. But the reason that we don't become more sick from all kinds of diseases, including cancer, is because our body is hardwired with its own health defense systems. But here's the problem. We are presently seeing the fallout of some of the not so good moves that we made in the 1950s and 60s and 70s. For example, people might consume as much as a credit card's worth of plastic every single week, which is very worrying. And I will tell you why.
But there's also the foods you eat, which contribute to taking your health defenses down. But the good news is that you can actually put shields up as well. So this is like our experiment, and we're trying to discover drugs that could be developed as cancer treatments. So we said, let's remove half of them and let's swap them out with food. I was a skeptic. But when I saw these results, it made my jaw drop. Because the holy grail in the pharmaceutical industry is to find something that can kill cancer stem cells. And we don't have a drug that can do that. Turns out Mother Nature beat us to the punch. And there's more than 200 foods that I've studied that can actually starve cancers.
**Steven Bartlett** (1:29)
And if you had to pick five based on the science you've seen, what would those top five be?
**William Li** (1:33)
The good news is that it's food that we can eat every single day. So, number one.
**Steven Bartlett** (1:41)
I find it incredibly fascinating that when we look at the back end of Spotify and Apple and our audio channels, the majority of people that watch this podcast haven't yet hit the follow button or the subscribe button. Wherever you're listening to this, I would like to make a deal with you. If you could do me a huge favour and hit that subscribe button, I will work tirelessly from now until forever to make the show better and better and better and better. I can't tell you how much it helps when you hit that subscribe button. The show gets bigger, which means we can expand the production, bring in all the guests you want to see and continue to do in this thing we love. If you could do me that small favour and hit the follow button, wherever you're listening to this, that would mean the world to me. That is the only favour I will ever ask you. Thank you so much for your time. Dr. William Li, if someone has just clicked on this conversation and they're asking themselves, they're wondering what they're going to get out of spending this time with us for the next couple of hours, what would you say directly to them that they will learn, gain, and how will their life improve?
**William Li** (2:41)
I would say that you're going to hear about food in a brand new way that you didn't realize that a decision that you can make after listening to this or watching this that you can put into action to your life immediately could actually help you for the rest of your life. It could stave off disease, help you feel stronger, even help you with longevity. So it's no single moves that you can make, but it's the beginning of taking steps that can actually allow you to live the rest of a long, enjoyable life.
**Steven Bartlett** (3:14)
And what are the key diseases that people are and should be most concerned about today based on their correlation to the food that we eat?
**William Li** (3:22)
Yeah, if you look at the biggest health crises in the world today in developed countries, you're really talking about cardiovascular disease being the number one killer, diabetes, and all the consequences, the devastating consequences that come out. Listen, your blood sugar is not being very well regulated. That's the definition over time of diabetes, but the knock on effect of having high uncontrolled sugars is really underlying metabolic chaos. There's a whole litany of terrible conditions that happens downstream from that, from eye disease to wounds that don't heal, etc. Cancer is another one. Dementia is a bigger and bigger problem as our population ages. A lot of people don't recognize this, but the saying that inflammation is a root cause of chronic disease is scientifically correct. But there are many, many inflammatory diseases that are out there that don't get enough airplay, that really take away the quality of your life as you get older. And so I think all of these things, it's not just about mortality, it's about morbidity. It's not just about living long, it's about living well and feeling good along the way.
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