The Crash: What If Nobody in Mackenzie Shirilla's Case Knows the Real Truth?

**Tony Brueski** (0:01)
This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke.

**Tony Brueski** (0:07)
Mackenzie Shirilla says she has no memory of The Crash. She said it in the hospital, said it at the trial, says it now, speaking from prison in the Netflix documentary, The Crash. The family say she's a calculated killer. A fellow inmate says the remorseful woman in the documentary isn't the person that she saw behind bars. Everyone in this case is telling themselves a version of truth that helps them survive. And it's understandable. This part is about separating what people believe from what the evidence actually shows. Here's something that didn't necessarily surprise me, but we do this every single day. So we have more reps, I think, and it's watching this type of behavior is the shock that everyone seemed to have that after the fact, she was still a self-centered little bitch.
Immediately after there was something that was talking about some sort of brand deal. I mean, mom came through with, oh, she really loved that. And she might be suffering more than other people or whatever the hell she said in that message publicly. That right there tells you a ton about the world in which Mackenzie Shirilla grew up around and that line of thinking, that mom is stupid enough to say something like that publicly and be that tone deaf to everybody else around her. I mean, that's just okay. Well, there you go. That's mom.
Then the fact that Mackenzie would be interested in this, might still be thinking very self-centeredly, why would that suddenly change after a crash unless there's massive brain damage? She's still the same person she was after the crash. Of course she is. That doesn't change immediately because of that.
Hopefully some reflection, hopefully some taking some time, tampers it down and changes that. But everyone being shocked that she's the same narcissistic, you know, 16, 17 year old monster that she was beforehand, is still the same one after, doesn't surprise me. Does it you? I mean, that actually proves more consistency to her argument that this wasn't calculated or planned because she's still the same damn person. She's not suddenly somebody different.

**Robin Dreeke** (2:25)
Yeah, and actually into what one of the viewers said too, is that, you know, if it was a jury trial, she would have been found, you know, 100% of murder. Yeah, I agree because of all these other things. And that's probably why they chose bench trial, not that.
I'm just curious about the charges themselves. You know, it could have actually fit, I think, the whatchamacallit manslaughter as well, because of that intent. But also going back to the early question you had, Todd, was how many number of prison infractions? She's received 36 prison conduct reports so far and found guilty of 32

**Tony Brueski** (3:01)
Is that, I'm not surprised by any of that, you know?

**Robin Dreeke** (3:04)
Six counts involving contraband, altered clothing, monopoly, money, paint bottles, magazine pictures, nude magazine pictures. Four counts disobeying a direct order, four counts violating institutional rules, regulations. So yeah, she's a train wreck.
There's no denying that she's a horrendous human being, and it just keeps coming down to the, how do I say curiosity? I mean, it's righteous. I mean, I think the time, I think she does 15 years, that's at least righteous, if not even more. Because, but yeah, you're right, zero remorse. And that's, she, there's such an opportunity here for all the things we're talking about that we can see the broken person that made horrendous choices, that killed three people. No, yeah, three people, no, two people.
And the problem is for her, if at any point along the way, I mean, people, I mean, the people around her are giving her grace until you saw what happened before. And then, and then what, and what happens is when you see those thousands upon thousands of text messages, like everyone's commenting on, then you're like, oh my God, you're a horrendous person. Then what you're actually doing is you're, you're looking for that glimmer of what changed in you. Did you learn something from this? Are you more full about this? Because we're, we're here to give you grace, keep you accountable. But in other words, to be willing to move through this, if you can actually show and demonstrate that you're a human being. Yeah. She never did.

**Tony Brueski** (4:41)
She hasn't yet. But also I want to say, keep in mind, this isn't that long since this actually happened either, and she's 17 when she went in. So play biology in here too. Her brain also not fully developed, not going to suddenly change overnight. You add all this trauma in there. It's probably more stigmatized than it ever has been.