Thank U, Next: How Grief Rewrote the Pop Rulebook

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Welcome to another episode of pplpod.
I want you to imagine something for a second. Imagine achieving the absolute undeniable peak of your career. You've just released your most critically acclaimed work to date, you're on top of the world.

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Right, everything is perfect.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:16)
Exactly. And then, within a matter of mere weeks, your personal life just completely shatters.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:22)
Oh wow.

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And it doesn't just shatter in private, it shatters in the most public way possible. Every camera is pointed at you, and every headline is dissecting your bane.

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Which is, I mean, an absolute nightmare scenario.

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It really is. So how do you respond to that? Well, if you are pop superstar, Ariana Grande, in late 2018, you don't issue some carefully crafted PR statement.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:44)
No, you definitely go.

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You throw out the entire music industry rule book, you lock yourself in a recording studio with Champagne and your closest friends, and you create a record breaking masterpiece in just a matter of days.

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Which is still hard to believe.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:57)
It is. Okay, let's unpack this, because the sheer speed and the immense emotional weight of today's deep dive into the album, Thank You, Next, is it's unlike almost anything else in modern pop history.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:11)
It truly stands as a singular moment in time. We are looking at her fifth studio album, Thank You, Next, which was released in February of 2019

**SPEAKER_1** (1:19)
Right.

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But to really understand it, we have to look past the charts and see what this album actually represents.

**SPEAKER_1** (1:24)
That it's not just a standard pop album.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:26)
Not at all. It is a raw, real-time snapshot of grief, of denial and ultimately of self-empowerment. Yeah. And it fundamentally changed the mechanics of how female pop artists release music. I mean, it broke massive commercial records, including tying a historic 1964 Beatles chart record.

**SPEAKER_1** (1:45)
The Beatles. I mean, that's insane.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:47)
It is. It's a project entirely suffused with the pain and the joy of someone discovering that what didn't break her actually became the foundation for her survival.

**SPEAKER_1** (1:55)
Right. And just to put the timeline of this into perspective for you listening, releasing this album only five months and 22 days after her previous album.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:03)
Which is just a crazy turnaround.

**SPEAKER_1** (2:05)
It's like running an agonizing, grueling marathon, crossing the finish line and immediately deciding to run a full speed sprint.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:12)
Yeah, that's a great way to put it.

**SPEAKER_1** (2:14)
That simply isn't done in the major label pop machine. Usually, an album rollout is this, like 18-month heavily guarded corporate endeavor.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:23)
The standard pop rollout is practically a military operation.

**SPEAKER_1** (2:27)
Right.

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To grasp the gravity of this pivot, we really need to ground ourselves in the timeline of fall 2018 Grande had just released her critically acclaimed album Sweetener in August.

**SPEAKER_1** (2:40)
Just a few months prior.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:41)
Exactly. Her label, Republic Records, was prepping this massive traditional global rollout. They were getting ready to release a track called Breavin as the third single.

**SPEAKER_1** (2:50)
Okay. So the machine is in motion.

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The machine was in full motion. We're talking music videos, magazine covers, highly choreographed television appearances. But then tragedy struck.

**SPEAKER_1** (3:01)
Yeah.

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In early September, her ex-boyfriend and longtime friend, the rapper Mac Miller died of an accidental drug overdose.

**SPEAKER_1** (3:08)
Which, I mean, that level of sudden loss is hard enough to process in a quiet room, let alone with millions of eyes dissecting your grief.

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It's unimaginable. The label abruptly postponed their promotional endeavors, and Grande took a very necessary hiatus from the media to mourn.

**SPEAKER_1** (3:25)
Naturally.

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But the personal turmoil didn't stop there. By October, her highly publicized, whirlwind, five-month engagement to comedian Pete Davidson ended.

**SPEAKER_1** (3:35)
Right.

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So within a brutal two-month span, she experienced a profound, irreversible loss and a major, incredibly public breakup.

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You would expect someone in that position to just, just vanish for a year, retreat, heal and maybe come back when the dust has settled.

**SPEAKER_2** (3:51)
Which is what most people do.

**SPEAKER_1** (3:52)
But she doesn't retreat.

**SPEAKER_2** (3:53)
No, she doesn't. What's fascinating here is how she channeled that devastation into a complete rejection of the standard pop promo cycle.

**SPEAKER_1** (4:00)
How so?

**SPEAKER_2** (4:01)
She became deeply frustrated by the music industry's double standard. Historically, the system was built so that female pop stars had to deliver these highly visual conceptual eras.