SpaceX-Cursor Deal, SaaS Debt Bomb, New Apple CEO, SPLC Indictment, Colon Cancer Spike

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:00)
Jason, you are the unique person that is at the intersection of both the *** and the SPLC files. Do you have a comment? No comment.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:09)
No, I'm not in the SPLC files.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:11)
Yes, you are. You're SPLC adjacent and you're ***. What does that mean? In the Venn diagram.

**David Friedberg** (0:17)
Thank you, though, for putting me in the crosshairs of all the loose guys. He's got a really good way to select.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:23)
There's a reason why I'm carrying this, guys.

**David Sacks** (0:25)
Oh, my God.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:25)
Because the *** people.

**David Sacks** (0:27)
What the *** is going on?

**David Friedberg** (0:29)
There's a reason why I carry a stiletto and a P35.

**David Sacks** (0:33)
What the *** are you doing?

**David Friedberg** (0:35)
There's a reason.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:36)
If you want to jump the *** fence, feel free.

**David Sacks** (0:40)
Jay Cal is ready.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:02)
All right, everybody, welcome back to the greatest podcast in the universe, episode 270 of the All-In Podcast, your podcasters' favorite podcast. With me again, your sultan of science, David Friedberg, the dictator, Chamath Palihapitiya, and yeah, the Rain Man is back. Yeah, it's definitely David, David Sacks. He's definitely in DC with Podis. Yeah, Podis lets him drive in the driveway.
Sacks, what's going on? You pushed back, you big shotted the entire crew and pushed the show back an hour.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:37)
Simple text, he's like, with Podis, start it.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:39)
It's unbelievable.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:41)
Start later. Okay.
Okay.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:43)
Okay, daddy, look at him.
All right. All right, big shot. What's going on?

**David Sacks** (1:47)
No, look, I was in DC today and I was at the White House and I just asked if the president had time and he made time. And we did have a little meeting and so we did push back the pod for that. One thing I just want to say is just what a pleasure he has to deal with. When I read in the media, they're always describing him in a certain way that he's yelling at people or he's moody or something like that. And that's never ever been my experience with him. He's always pleasant to be with. He's always genial.
He asks questions. He's interested in the subject matter. It's just a completely different portrayal. I don't get where the media is coming from at all on this.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:27)
He's charming AF.

**David Sacks** (2:28)
Let's just call it what it is.
I mean, maybe if you double-crossed him, maybe. I don't know. But I've just never seen any evidence of how they described him at all. And I think on our issues of AI, I think we're really lucky that he's the president who's in the White House when this AI revolution is happening.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:45)
I mean, do an old history, Sacks. What would happen if Kamala Ding Dong was in right now and we'd have like no data centers?

**David Sacks** (2:51)
We'd have no data centers and they'd be using AI to censor us and they'd be promoting DEI values through AI that was in the Biden executive order.
President Trump just wants the country to win and be successful. And he doesn't have these like doomer neuroses about it. That's not to say we don't support any regulation at all, but we should have specific solutions for specific problems as opposed to being cowering in fear over this and just trying to halt all progress. And I think a really good example of that was his idea around data centers where he said over a year ago, before data centers even became a hot political topic, that we should let our AI companies stand up their own power generation behind the meter. And that's a much better approach than the Bernie Sanders approach of just shutting everything down. So I don't know, I think we're like very fortunate that he's the president during this critical time and developing this technology. And like I said, he's always been interested in it. He talks to a lot of business leaders. I'm always actually very impressed with what he already knows. He listens to like all the top guys in the industry and he synthesizes what he hears. I think he's very good at that.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:54)
He was talking about the Anthropic guys and he was like, these are brilliant guys. And he was like giving the flowers to them and how genius they were and that they were working on a deal. Any insights there about the relationship between the White House and Anthropic?