Pope vs AI, Anthropic's Digital God, AI Job Loss Narrative Flips, Open Source Crackdown Coming?

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
Okay, we are gathered here today in holy unity, brothers and sisters, to convene and discuss on this most holy day, the day the All-In podcast drops. Many topics, AI data centers, China, justice, human dignity.
Darion winding these SPVs hasn't been good for the Vatican. We got in at 20 billion. That was a 50 bagger for us. So let's get started.

**David Sacks** (0:32)
Jason, I'm pretty sure you believed you were the vicar of God before the encyclical. So this is nothing new for you.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:57)
The smoke has risen from Chamath's pool house and from the poker room.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:04)
He's staying in my pool house. He's been there for the last three days.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:07)
It's been magnificent. He didn't know.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:09)
You know what? I understand where OJ was coming from. You know, you put Cato Kaelin in your house for long enough, you just lose your shit at some point.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:17)
At some point, somebody's getting whacked. All right, enough with the shenanigans. But it's been great staying at the house because there's actually, Chamath is not aware of this, there's an iPad in the kitchen, and that's logged in to Uber Eats, DoorDash, Instacart, Amazon, Laura Piana.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:35)
Shut the f*** up. Come on, stop.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:36)
No, there is. It's literally every single service. And I told the house manager, like, listen, any packages that come in the next 72 hours, right to the pool house if it says Jay Cal, right to the pool house. So all these packages have been coming. Then I relabeled them, gave them back, sent them to the ranch. And now the house manager is sending that stuff to the ranch.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:58)
Laura Piana wants to know why my inseam went from 36 to 12

**Jason Calacanis** (2:04)
Your waist size went from 32 to 36 All right, welcome to the program, everybody. David Sacks is here. How are you doing, David?

**David Sacks** (2:11)
I'm good.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:12)
Chamath Palihapitiya is back at the 80, 90 office. I was at the 80, 90 office the last couple of days, and it's a vibe. It's a vibe. There's like a great culture going on.
If you're a bestie and you show up at that office though, everybody there is a huge fan of the pod. So I was like, it was like being royalty and stopped by everybody. Hey, I'm a developer here. I'm a big fan of the show. Thank you for giving it to Chamath. We can't give it to him because he pays our mortgage and everything. But every time you stick it to Chamath, we love it. We're cheering for you in the secret Slack room.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:48)
There's a secret Slack room.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:50)
There is definitely a secret Slack room going on. But it was great. The vibes were awesome. You're building a lot of software, a lot of young talent. I don't want to say that where your secret source is, but there's a secret source of talent you have. And man, those are some smart kids.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:07)
I'm happy to say it. Look, when I was at Facebook, we became the most aggressive recruiter of Waterloo Co-ops. And so I went back to the well. Yeah, we recruit more interns every quarter than we have full-time engineers, which we do on purpose because it puts a ton of pressure on the product actually being good.
We had 400 people apply this quarter for internships.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:29)
Wow. It's very interesting with us sitting in for Friedberg, who's busy with some potatoes seed this week, doing great stuff at Ohalo. The one, the only, Bill Gurley is here. He's been running down a dream. If you haven't bought the book, get the book. It's incredible. And you're off book tour, so now you have time for us, yeah?

**Bill Gurley** (3:50)
Yes. And you know, I had told you, if you ever talk about the Pope, I'd love to hop on.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:56)
Yes, you were right.
Well, you know, Bill's an evangelical, I'm a Catholic, so we do have some common ground here. When's the last time you were at church, Bill? Have you thought now that you're out of the full time?

**David Sacks** (4:10)
I don't like when Jay Cal gets sacrilegious. I got to come on there and make sure Jay Cal doesn't get out of line with the Pope.

**Jason Calacanis** (4:21)
Listen, the Pope is God's messenger on earth. We should give him a base level of respect. By the way, that's us imitating Bill Gurley. Not actually Bill Gurley, just for those of you listening.