Our Updated AGI Timeline, 57% Job Automation Risk, and Solving the US Debt Crisis w/ Naveen Jain, Salim Ismail & Alexander Wisner-Gross | EP #212

**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
This is the sprint to the finish where now we have the top handful of Frontier Labs all competing to one-up each other, maybe not on a quarterly basis, maybe it goes to weekly and then daily before the finish line. I think we're seeing Anthropic as the Frontier Lab that has decided to be in the vanguard of treating its Frontier models as moral clients at minimum and at maximum as persons.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:23)
Who chooses those values? And what happens when different labs encode different values and morals into their large language models? That AI can automate already 57 percent of current US work, and the demand for AI fluency has grown 7x in two years. It's the fastest rising skill in the US.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:46)
I really think learning to learn really becomes the trick here.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:50)
If we find ourselves in a future where we've experienced economic hypergrowth due to AI over the next three plus years, it's not just the debt crisis that we'd be talking about solving. It's just about every other human problem as well that would be on the table.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:05)
Now that's the Moonshot, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, Naveen. So you landed yesterday from Antarctica?

**SPEAKER_3** (1:13)
I sure did, as a matter of fact. It was amazing, amazing experience.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:17)
Did you go with your whole family?

**SPEAKER_3** (1:19)
I sure did.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:20)
How long?

**SPEAKER_3** (1:22)
For six days. And I think it's as close to landing on the moon as one can get on planet Earth.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:29)
I bet. Did you like supplement your amazing asteroid or meteorite collection? Did you go meteorite hunting?

**SPEAKER_3** (1:35)
So the interesting thing, you're not supposed to bring back anything. So technically I did not find anything.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:41)
Okay, technically. And no one's listening to this conversation right now?

**SPEAKER_4** (1:45)
Okay.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:47)
I did bring a whole bunch of rocks, yes.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:49)
All right, fantastic. And Alex, your AI has generated a new background. I miss your beautiful lamp.

**SPEAKER_1** (1:57)
Apparently so. Yeah, I'm at NeurIPS this week. It's sort of the woodstock of AI. Everyone from the Frontier Labs are here. It's pretty spectacular. Definitely encourage folks to attend NeurIPS in future.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:11)
The woodstock of AI, that's a great, is it like lots of long-haired people strumming guitars and taking psychedelics or what's that?

**SPEAKER_1** (2:20)
Maybe long-haired humanoid robots.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:23)
Okay. Salim, you landed like, or what's up? You're in Brazil?

**SPEAKER_5** (2:29)
I'm just heading to Brazil.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:31)
Wait, no, I'm going to see you again.

**SPEAKER_5** (2:32)
I'm rushing to the airport.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:34)
That's hilarious. We're going to film again on Saturday morning, the moment you land from Brazil.

**SPEAKER_5** (2:39)
Yes. All right.

**SPEAKER_2** (2:40)
So such is life. All right, everybody, welcome to Moonshots, another episode of WTF Just Happened in Tech. Like we say, this is the real news that's worth learning. And we established a goal among the Moonshot mates and it's getting you future ready, getting you ready for what's coming. We're going to miss Dave Blunden. Unfortunately, Dave is in the midst of incredible board meetings, lots of special things happening in his life. He'll explain when he's able, but we have a new Moonshot mate, a dear friend of mine, Naveen Jain, who's joining. Naveen, a real pleasure. Are you up in Seattle?

**SPEAKER_3** (3:19)
I am up in Seattle.

**SPEAKER_2** (3:21)
All right, let me do a proper introduction for Naveen. Naveen, I think of you as my brother from another mother. Naveen grew up in a small rural village in India. All great CEOs come from India, I guess. It's at least these day and age.
Ended up one of the prestigious IITs. Eventually came to the US. He was the founder, CEO of InfoSeek. It was one of the early multi-billion- I'm sorry, InfoSpace. One of the early multi-billion-dollar companies in the internet database area. He founded Intellius, TalentWise, MoonExpress and is now the founder and CEO of Viome. We'll talk about Viome a little bit later. We get to the health segment of this particular pod. And very special to me, he's on my Board of Trustees at the XPRIZE and at Singularity University. So, welcome. A pleasure to have you, Naveen.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:13)
Thank you, Peter. It's always, always, always so much fun being with you.

**SPEAKER_2** (4:17)
Yeah, we're going to have a lot of fun today. All right, let's jump in. We're going to dive into AI news. And in particular, we're going to start with a conversation, a little video of Ilya Sutskever, the CEO of SSI. Scaling compute is not enough to achieve advanced AI. But, you know, for me, I watched this pod that he did. I know you did as well, Alex. And the most important thing is he's come out of hiding. And he's been offline building SSI now for quite some time. I thought maybe before we show this, Alex, it might be worth giving a little bit of background on Ilya. What do you think?