OpenAI's Plan To Merge Chat And Agents — With Greg Brockman

**Alex Kantrowitz** (0:00)
In 2015, Greg Brockman, Elon Musk and Sam Altman started a non-profit called OpenAI. And the plan was to pursue artificial general intelligence. The company or the non-profit, when it was a non-profit back then, began in Greg Brockman's living room. And these folks were convinced that achieving artificial general intelligence or AI on par with human intelligence was possible.
And to be honest, most people in the valley thought that that was an interesting side project, but most of the attention was on social media at the time. Well, fast forward 11 years and here we are. OpenAI is probably going to go public within the next year at a trillion dollar valuation. They're going to announce likely, because third party data is showing at a billion users in ChatGPT fairly soon. And they of course raised the largest venture capital round in history at 122 billion. So they are at the leading edge of a technology that has captured all of our attention and is changing the world.
And so when you listen to Greg Brockman, one of the things that you can see even from his conversations all the way in the past is a clear conviction and understanding of where this technology would lead and where the products would go. It's amazing. You listen to the podcasts from pre-ChatGPT or really in the early days of the GPT models, and you can hear Greg speaking with absolute clarity about where the models and applications would go today. I think to close our day, let's take a look into the future of where OpenAI and the frontier is going in a conversation with Greg Brockman. Let's welcome Greg.
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**Alex Kantrowitz** (3:09)
Great to see you, Greg.

**Greg Brockman** (3:09)
Thank you for having me.

**Alex Kantrowitz** (3:13)
Greg, this is our fourth time speaking, and we've spoken every time about OpenAI's product direction. I think I'm starting to get it.
There was this conversation that a super app was the wrong term for what you were doing with the app that you're building, bringing Codex, which is the coding side of OpenAI's product browser and ChatGPT together. When you use the word super app, people would be like, no, a super app is actually something that you can just use every other app within. Now as we've seen these products come together, actually super app might be the correct term, at least for us on the outside, we're starting to see it. When you need to do anything, it will start with a prompt in ChatGPT, and then OpenAI's technology will use either your browser or your computer to get that done for you. Is that the right way to think about it?

**Greg Brockman** (4:12)
I think that's a pretty good perspective, right? And I think to really zoom out, the thing we're actually trying to build is in AGI, right? That if you think about what people have been using since ChatGPT, it's a language model, right? There's a big gap between these.
It's amazing you can talk to chat, talks back to you, great, wonderful. But when we launched in 2022, there was no memory, right? It's not hooked up to any tools, it has no context. And so it really is that this conversational intelligence is only one part of what people really need to get work done, to be able to achieve their goals. And where we're going is to have an AI that's really looking out for you, right? That you can provide the goals, the directions, that it's constantly thinking about what can I do for Alex today, that it's able to go and solve super hard problems, very mundane problems, you wake up, your inbox is organized. But also if there's a health plan that you are thinking about, that it can help you achieve that, figure out medical treatments, or sort of back and forth, provide you with that kind of information at least. And I think that the question of what's the interface you want, what is the product that you want, is what we spend a lot of time thinking about. And the answer is you want almost no interface, you want no product, right? You want this to be like what's the interface between you and me, right? Just being able to talk to a persistent entity of some form that's able to go and accomplish goals for you. And so building that is hard, it will take time, but we have a lot of the pieces, right? And we're increasingly bringing together the product layer, trying to make the models better, trying to make the whole system just, so there's less like clicking buttons and toggles and changing modes and all these things. Not to say that there won't be some of those along the way, but the long-term trajectory is towards simplification unification.