Nobody Is Safe From AI Anymore | Mark Suman

**Mark Suman** (0:02)
The AIs are ruining the world. They are destroying everything that we know that is good, everything that we love. Pick an industry, and really it's gonna be the lower rungs of the ladder. If you're trying to get on some corporate ladder, the lower rungs are just gonna be sawed off. But you just need to come in with this tool and already be a senior level skill. You can pivot industries if you want, you can move to something else. We're gonna have this awkward transition phase for maybe years as we figure out what to do next. But I'm always hopeful and optimistic that new industries will pop up and new kinds of companies and new job roles will pop up. Because we've just seen it time and time again with every new major technology shift that's happened. It allows us to have a bunch more smaller businesses and new things pop up that we've never even thought of before.

**Danny Knowles** (0:50)
Mark, good to have you back on the show, man. We spoke not even that long ago. And I have more questions now than I did then. Like this, AI is moving so quick. It feels like in the last month or two, it's accelerated again. And I'm kind of terrified about some of it. I think it's really exciting. I don't know who's going to have a job in a few months time.

**Mark Suman** (1:13)
It's pretty wild out there.

**Danny Knowles** (1:15)
Give me your take on the last few months.

**Mark Suman** (1:17)
Yeah, no, it is. Every week, the world changes when it comes to AI. We spoke in, I think, November time frame, so a couple of months ago, not very long ago. I definitely have trouble sleeping at night. I don't have trouble falling asleep, but if I wake up for any reason in the middle of the night, my mind just starts going and thinking about all the people who are awake right now that are working on AI and are just racing ahead of me while I'm trying to go back to sleep. So there's a lot going on. It's really exciting though. It reminds me of the early days of the Internet, when websites were new, everybody was learning how to write HTML.
You were getting your e-mail for the first time, or logging on to America Online, something like that. This feels very similar to that, and it's exciting.

**Danny Knowles** (1:57)
I mean, it is. And the big thing that happened probably in the last month, really, is the OpenClaw. Maltbot, Claudebot, whatever you want to call it. When that came out, I feel like that was a huge shift. I don't know if... I think there's so much hype around it. It's still quite new. People are still trying to figure out exactly what it can do, where its capabilities lie. But the big question I have is like, is this the start of actual AGI? It feels like those lines are getting really blurred now.

**Mark Suman** (2:24)
They are getting blurry. I don't know that this is like the end result product, but it for sure is like a great, great proof of concept. As far as AGI goes, like it's still a lot of humans prompting it. We're still telling it what to do. We're still kind of crafting it. And then it takes these narratives that we help build up within it and says, OK, I am now a bot that focuses on this thing. So I think there's still a lot of human in the loop when it comes to this. Maybe this is the first point on the timeline of AGI. Maybe this is one of the key markers. But I think we're still quite a ways away from that true moment. Because there's still a lot this can't do and it forgets stuff all the time.

**Danny Knowles** (3:03)
I mean, that's true. But in the sense that you obviously you do have to prompt it for things. But one of the prompts that I gave one of my bots, which is like a research bot essentially, that I use to help me with shows and things like that, is I don't want you to ever stop working. So it's like when I'm asleep, I want you working. And so I wake up in the morning and it's given me all types of different like either market research or it's preparing for shows, like it's looking into potential new guests for me. And it's stuff that I've not really prompted it. I've given it a very like vague instruction of don't stop working. And then I wake up to something slightly new every morning. It's kind of insane.