Mark Zuckerberg

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You drink coffee, man, or no?

**Mark Zuckerberg** (1:54)
Nah.

**Theo Von** (1:57)
Really?

**Mark Zuckerberg** (1:58)
Yeah.

**Theo Von** (1:59)
I mean, you've had it.

**Mark Zuckerberg** (2:01)
I have. Sometimes on vacation, I'll drink it recreationally. It's like every once in a while.

**Theo Von** (2:08)
Just like a celebration.

**Mark Zuckerberg** (2:11)
Yeah, no.
Really? Yeah, no. I just like hate anything that messes with, I don't like any kind of chemicals or anything like that.

**Theo Von** (2:20)
Oh, really? So you like to keep everything the equilibrium?

**Mark Zuckerberg** (2:23)
Yeah. My sister gives me such a hard time about this. She's like, you're just sitting there raw dogging reality.

**SPEAKER_1** (2:28)
Wow.

**Theo Von** (2:30)
It's kind of true. Like, so you, but have you, you've had it before? Yeah, but you don't like it.

**Mark Zuckerberg** (2:34)
Yeah, I don't like it.

**Theo Von** (2:35)
So when you get up in the morning, that's not your thing? Like, is there something you do?

**Mark Zuckerberg** (2:37)
No, no, no. Yeah. I mean, I wake up and I fight people. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I wake up in the morning and are we going by the way? I mean, we should, we should get this.

**Theo Von** (2:49)
Yeah, we're going. Oh, you mean you wake up and do jujitsu, you mean? Oh, yeah. No, I mean, yeah.

**Mark Zuckerberg** (2:54)
So I probably wake up like, I don't know, seven, 730, whenever like the kids start making noise around the house, it's like, all right, sleep is done. And then like, it's like, I look at my phone and I'm just like, all these things that these people are doing, like, you did what? Are you fucking kidding me? It's like, I have to go fucking deal with this. It's like, it's like, this partner, really? God damn it. All right, so, and then it's like, I compose myself and go fight for two hours, like, recenter myself. Then it's like, now I can go deal with the stuff. But no, it's-

**Theo Von** (3:29)
So that helps. It's almost like your coffee in the morning sometimes, like rolling, like rolling jujitsu, kind of?

**Mark Zuckerberg** (3:34)
Yeah, and I mean, right now I'm doing more striking. So, I mean, that's really fun. I just, I think it's like the greatest sport. I mean, it's like neurologically stimulating. It's, you know, it's good cardio, good strength.

**Theo Von** (3:47)
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

**Mark Zuckerberg** (3:48)
A little bit of a threat, right? So it keeps you on, you know, it's not, not like just like running. I used to like run around the neighborhood, but running is not that thrilling.

**Theo Von** (3:55)
Running compared to jujitsu is for, running is a, running is not really neat once you can do jujitsu.
Because I think one cool thing about jujitsu is just like, you can lose a match with somebody, right? You can lose like, like they can submit you. But you'll learn something along the way, right? And a lot of times the guy submitting you also wants to help you learn too. So it's like, you can lose and win at the same time. I think that's what's kind of masterful about it.

**Mark Zuckerberg** (4:26)
Yeah, totally. Do you do it?

**Theo Von** (4:28)
I don't do it as much as I would like to, you know?