Jack Smith On Biohacking, 2 Easy Business Ideas, PLUS Why Procrastination Is Good

**Jack Smith** (0:00)
For some reason, he's saying that one of the best measures of your aging is like your nighttime erections. So I'm starting doing this treatment where it's like you shockwave your penis, etc. And he's like, I'm going once a month, etc. I'm like, dude, I have that machine in my house.

**Sam Parr** (0:25)
Hey, Jack, is this aging stuff, this anti-aging stuff, is this legitimate?

**Jack Smith** (0:30)
Anti-aging, it's an emerging trend, right? And I feel that it's hard to know if this is scam or not. And then why do we give Brian Johnson, Dave Asprey, etc. any credibility? Because how do we know that they're good at anti-aging? That they're in their 50s.
Dave Asprey can say he wants to live to 140 and stuff, right? And I realized like it's really powerful and dangerous to criticize someone's appearance. Like I don't like it either. But for me, the only measures we have about if these guys' stuff is working is their aging score thing, right? I was just thinking of an analogy and I kind of felt it's like saying that someone's a great marathon runner, but they're only at the halfway point. Like maybe these guys are good at avoiding injuries, so they're more likely to complete the marathon. But how do we know if they're going to get a good time in the marathon? We only know when they're like 100 or something. In comparison, so these are the people we look to as the influencers, even like Dr. Rhonda Patrick for women. She's in her 40s, I think. So they're all middle-aged, Peter Atiyah, Huberman. They're not 100 years old, so how do we know they're good at anti-aging? They're only halfway there. I mean, Sam, you had a better anti-aging score. You couldn't upload your results, right? But you would be like number one, I think, on there from your thing.

**Sam Parr** (1:55)
Yeah, Shaan, I did the Rejuvenation Olympics. Basically, the Rejuvenation Olympics, it's this test done by true diagnostics.
It's like a blood work company. And Brian Johnson has a partnership with them. And I think the science is still iffy, but the idea is if the length of a cell that you have, I forget what the cell is called, mitochondria or something like that, there's a theory that the length of that is correlated to your biological age. I did this test, Shaan, and I scored great. So great that I messaged Brian Johnson and I was like, this is wrong, right? And he's like, well, no, you're like the number three on the Rejuvenation Olympics. And the thing is, I'm a 80-20 type of guy. I do like 80 percent great and then I like fuck off for 20 percent. Like I eat poorly sometimes. But I just think that a lot of this, the takeaway from when I did that thing was, it's mostly genetics, I think. I do mostly good stuff, but there's people who do so much better stuff. And I just think that it's like largely genetics.

**Jack Smith** (2:59)
But because one of the only measures we have is this score, then it means that that gives that's the only lender of credibility we have to if you only go like you guys are able to present this podcast because you sold your companies, right? So you have some legitimacy there. But the only legitimate litmus test we have here is your aging score. But then it's like, okay, Sam, you have legitimacy. So you can just say, oh, I have a great score because I have Coke Zero every day. And then everyone buys Coke Zero and thinks that's anti-aging's best supplement, right?

**Shaan Puri** (3:30)
So why do you spend so much energy on this then? Because you're spending money, you're spending time. Yet it sounds like what you're saying is, look, the science, the measurement is iffy, the incentives are a little iffy because there's a lot of money to be made by claiming certain things. You know, it's not clear the cause and effect. We don't know what really works, what really doesn't work. You've spent $50,000 on supplements and your summary was like, I didn't really feel anything. Maybe if you're deficient, you might feel something. But you're a smart guy. Why still spend the time and energy in this space?

**Jack Smith** (4:02)
Because actually I've tried out all these different things, right? And Tony Robbins actually has a book about all the emerging health stuff that he tries out, etc. So 99% of it, I don't notice anything. However, 1%, I do notice big things. And for me, it's kind of like, okay, we don't know what works, what doesn't work, but I've only got one life and I've only got one body. And just experimenting, I can find those 1% things that are very impactful and under the radar and stuff.