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Full Show: Gerald Wilkins Sparks Heated GOAT Debate: LeBron Over MJ

The Carton Show with Craig Carton & Chris McMonigle

June 13, 2026

Knicks legend Gerald Wilkins joins the studio to discuss the franchise's chase for an NBA championship while stirring up controversy by naming LeBron James as the greatest of all time. They also review the heroics of OG Anunoby and host a high-energy sing-off with anthem singer Avery Wilson.
Speakers: Craig Carton, Chris McMonigle, Gerald Wilkins, Avery Wilson, Anthony
**Craig Carton** (0:05)
It's the Carton Show with Big Mag on a glorious Friday afternoon in New York City. Phone number to join as always, 888-808-1019.
We are now 24 hours away, maybe 30 hours away.

**Chris McMonigle** (0:22)
Yeah, something like that.

**Craig Carton** (0:22)
From game five, a chance for the New York Knickerbockers to win their first NBA championship in 53 years. We got a great show for you today.
We've got the Knicks good luck charm coming to the studio today. Mr. Avery Wilson, who's been singing the anthem brilliantly at The Carton, is going to join us at studio. We're going to have a little sing-off today between Big Mac and Avery Wilson. Something like a photo.

**Chris McMonigle** (0:48)
I was unaware of that.

**Craig Carton** (0:49)
I think legendary New York Knickerbocker, Gerald Wilkins is going to be stopping by today as well. I'm trying to confirm all the time for that right now. And of course, we want all you Knick fans on the horn throughout the afternoon as we discuss and share our feelings, our emotions, our passion for something many of us never thought we would live to see the New York Knicks playing to win an NBA championship. Good afternoon, Big Mac. How are you today?

**Chris McMonigle** (1:19)
I'm doing great, Craig. I couldn't be happier.

**Craig Carton** (1:21)
Right?

**Chris McMonigle** (1:22)
Everything is wonderful.

**Craig Carton** (1:23)
And there's Ogida?

**Chris McMonigle** (1:24)
Oh, there's Ogida.

**Craig Carton** (1:25)
But the feeling is nothing but positive.

**Chris McMonigle** (1:28)
Nothing but positive, clearly. But I am curious a little bit. And obviously we didn't talk about where you wanted to start the show, but I wanted to ask you.

**Craig Carton** (1:34)
Do it.

**Chris McMonigle** (1:34)
All right?
Are we past it? Are we on to how do they win game number five? Or are we still basking in the glow of the greatest comeback in NBA history?

**Craig Carton** (1:45)
Solid question, solid question.

**Chris McMonigle** (1:46)
Like today I woke up with the odd. Yesterday, no Ogida. Yesterday was pure celebration going over all the moments, I wanted to get into everything, Wemby from everything else. But now it's like they still have a game to win. And now the Ogida is here because I don't want to come back to New York. I don't want to force a game six. I don't want to see them get a victory. I wanted to end Saturday night. So I don't know, where are you? Are we still basking in the glow?

**Craig Carton** (2:10)
Yes.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:10)
Or are we still, are we starting to get that nervousness because there's still one more game to win when you get past it all?

**Craig Carton** (2:16)
Well, I'm not going to give you a compound answer and say both because that's a compound answer. It might be true, but I don't think it's the answer you're looking for. I'm a habitual glow-basker, that's what I am.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:28)
So you're still basking in the glow.

**Craig Carton** (2:29)
I'm going to bask in the glow of the tippin for a very, very long time because it represents, in my life, look, I was alive for 70 and 73, but I was an infant, so I have no recollection of 70 or 73 other than watching the videotapes and the YouTube and all that stuff.
That is the greatest moment in my lifetime as a Nick fan. Look, because I don't have a championship.
Giant fans will tell you, I think, you're one of them, while you love the Tyree catch, it's not the greatest Giants moment you ever saw, because you saw the Giants beat the Broncos in a Super Bowl. You saw the Giants beat the Patriots twice, and maybe for some people, it's the Plaxico Burress, you know, touchdown catch that won the game. I think Tyree is up there, obviously.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:14)
I think it's number one for me as a Giant fan.

**Craig Carton** (3:16)
So that's interesting. So it didn't bring you a title, though.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:19)
It did.

**Craig Carton** (3:20)
It extended a drive.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:21)
Yeah, but...

**Craig Carton** (3:22)
Right?

**Chris McMonigle** (3:22)
Yes.

**Craig Carton** (3:22)
Like, the difference to me, well, that's a Super Bowl.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:25)
Well, the tipping did it, technically. The tipping did it.

**Craig Carton** (3:27)
The tipping won the game.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:28)
So did the defensive play. But it won the game.

**Craig Carton** (3:32)
It was on final points. It won the game.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:34)
Yes, it did.

**Craig Carton** (3:34)
Now, again, and I'm not minimizing the Tyree catch. It's one of the greatest plays I've ever seen in my lifetime. Correct. And I'm not a Giant fan.

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