Exposing the Ugly Truth of Looksmaxxing | Clavicular

**Dave Rubin** (0:08)
All right, people of the internet, thank you for your patience on our delayed start time. Today, I'm Dave Rubin. This is The Rubin Report, and joining me in studio is looks maxing specialist Clavicular. How you doing, man?

**Clavicular** (0:22)
I'm doing really good. Excited to be here.

**Dave Rubin** (0:24)
I am glad to have you here. I gotta tell you, this is a little out of my, I'm more in the political world, slightly different world. My team is in your world, and they've tried to apply some of these things like strange hammers and other objects that they hit me with to get prepared for this interview. So this is going to be a hell of a crossover we're doing right now.

**Clavicular** (0:45)
No, absolutely. A lot of people in the political world are trying to wrap their heads around what exactly looks maxing is. So I've seen this all over the media. They want to associate it with some type of political affiliation. And it's really just an apolitical movement entirely. It's just self-improvement.
So I think it's a complete misunderstanding from the media and a lot of people's perspective to try to do that.

**Dave Rubin** (1:10)
So you're saying caring about what you look like and fitness and going to the gym doesn't make you a far-right maniac?

**Clavicular** (1:16)
I would say that.

**Dave Rubin** (1:18)
Let's just start at the beginning. How did you get involved in all this stuff? Let's just do the 101 for my audience that maybe has just no idea who you are and then we'll get into all the stuff that you've been doing.

**Clavicular** (1:29)
Absolutely. So I come from a more so traditional bodybuilding background.
I grew up with a home gym in my house. So I've always had an interest in that from the time I was about 13 years old, around about eighth grade. And my mom was competing in bodybuilding shows. My dad was always encouraging physical fitness. So I was just doing basic research on proper training regimens, how to diet.
And this brought me to a lot of internet forums, you know, typical stuff like bodybuilding.com or whatever article posts. And sort of from there over the years, this is where I started my research into pharmacology and becoming an expert in that. And it slowly segued its way into what we know it as now, which is looks maxing.

**Dave Rubin** (2:16)
Right. So, what was the, what do you think like was the beginning of that? Like your parents obviously into it. Was it that you were in junior high and you wanted to get the girl, or you just wanted to look better? Was it like a combination of things?

**Clavicular** (2:31)
I was just going to the gym purely out of habit. And then I came to the discovery of taking exogenous testosterone from a pretty early age. And I realized there's really-

**Dave Rubin** (2:43)
How did you even step into that as a 15-year-old or whatever?

**Clavicular** (2:47)
Just from doing all the research, there's different subforums on all these websites about testosterone, hormones, all that kind of stuff. So I was sitting there thinking to myself, why would I work out as a natural when it's completely inefficient, when I could take this bioidentical hormone and have 10 times the results in a much shorter timeline?

**Dave Rubin** (3:11)
What did your parents think once you went from bodybuilding to taking TRT, or not TRT, but taking some of these things?

**Clavicular** (3:19)
Essentially TRT. I wouldn't really say that's far off.
They were not too supportive of that, so I don't want to throw my parents under the bus and be like, oh, they were okay with this. Quite the opposite. They were often confiscating my TRT from an early age, so there were periods of my life growing up where I'd go hypo-ganatol for a few months.

**Dave Rubin** (3:42)
So what does that mean for people that don't know?

**Clavicular** (3:45)
No testosterone.

**Dave Rubin** (3:46)
But what does it actually do to you once you're, if you're a young person, you're on it and then you get off it. What does it actually do to you? Yeah.

**Clavicular** (3:53)
So it's going to take sometimes about two to three weeks to start up your natural testosterone production, get back on the endocrine system. So that gap between your last pin and then your natural hormones starting to take place again.
Well, there's things you could do to make this timeline a little bit shorter, like HCG or things of that nature. It still is quite a grueling process to try to get off of exogenous hormones.