e01 - post Vitalik news hackathon

**SPEAKER_2** (0:04)
Oh, funny, I'm just installing the app to record. And you know what's funny? So I started searching and looking through the apps, going through different chat apps, Googling and stuff. And then nothing was working. And then I'm like, hmm, let me just ask ChatGDP. So I go there, when they're asked, and it just gave me like different options. And the very first one was like an app to record the conversation, and it worked. Well, I'm installing the app, but like the chat gave me so much quicker like as a personal assistant.

**Gianfranco Palumbo** (0:40)
Yeah. It's crazy how for certain specific things is much, much better than Google, because there are no ads on ChatGDP, so there's no incentive to use keywords to bring people to other places.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:56)
Exactly. And for like third day in a row, whenever I'm going to the market or to the shop, or well, actually three places, I also go to get some water. So these are my go-to destinations lately. And so whenever I'm cycling there, I'm thinking to myself like, damn, I'm really losing. Well, first of all, I lost like a year of being outside, or sort of like being on the internet and not doing anything. So I'm right now returning, and I feel like even though I'm returning, I feel like I lost like an edge, and also I'm losing the edge right now without fully investing into this research of the AI, because it feels like it's already changing a lot of industries. And actually like a little bit of doom and gloom as well. And so, yeah, I'm considering to get this GPT-4 access, like a paid access to GPT-4, because 3 and 5, I checked different analysis of this, and 3 and 5 is comparable to average human being at the age of like 20, 25 So like almost at the prime cognitive abilities. But GPT-4 surpasses that. And of course, they're working on GPT-5 now, and it's probably already ready, and lots of rich people are using it. But the point is that I feel like there's a big difference between 4 and 3.5, which are GPT. So yeah, I'm seriously considering, like, man, I'm really missing out on this thing. And yeah, I will basically use it to learn to build things.
As you know, I have like very, very minimal amount of knowledge about building things online from a technical perspective. And so this basically just, yeah, enhances my ability to know a thing.

**Gianfranco Palumbo** (3:00)
Yeah, I was thinking, like, how is this also going to change, like, anybody who wants to learn how to code? because for certain things, you might still need YouTube videos and somebody to tell you. But for a lot of things, if you have the patience to, or you know how to write a question and test and do the basic iteration of, I'm trying to solve this, I'm trying to build this, I'm trying to do that and slowly like learn. You can learn a lot by just chatting with his kind. Chat with you. Yeah, that's crazy.

**SPEAKER_2** (3:37)
Yeah, you know that service that you used to use, Code Mentor, right?

**Gianfranco Palumbo** (3:43)
Yeah, that's true.

**SPEAKER_2** (3:44)
That business is gone. Like, it's done. That's it.

**Gianfranco Palumbo** (3:49)
I mean, for, there's still, there's not all the issues are solved, but a lot of them. Oh, no, I'm not talking about a lot of them.

**SPEAKER_2** (3:57)
But like, what, in half a year, a year, it's done. Like, they should. And so, I'm thinking about like the impact, for example, it will have on Ukraine, is we have a lot of IT companies that do outsource. It's basically like 13% or some like huge percent of the total of our income for the entire country. And this is like this sector will get disrupted, and we will not need so many programmers for sure. So yeah, that's, and it's just like here, but like globally, damn, this is going to be, I mean, it is already wild. It's just that a lot of companies didn't realize yet what's coming for them.

**Gianfranco Palumbo** (4:44)
Hey, I think you're kind of right. It's going to definitely change those industries. Like even my girlfriend, she works for a consulting company, and they hire developers, or they help companies hire developers.
But like you still need somebody to know a little bit what they're talking about, and what they want to do, and how to do it, and choose technologies. I mean, you cannot really give the ChatGPT to a business person and now develop an app, a backend system, a server system, all of those things. Maybe it's now much easier to founders to get their MVP. But once you get to a certain scale or complexity, ChatGPT cannot really break it down into all the different parts. But it definitely is going to increase the productivity of the developers. So I can now be like what I did in Anova. I could probably do it half the time or a third of the time.