Dopamine Fasts, Cruise Ship Investing, and Elon Musk vs. Jeff Bezos Feuds with Andrew Wilkinson, Co-Founder of Tiny

**Shaan Puri** (0:00)
I was like, pipe that content into my ears baby while I'm falling asleep. I don't even want to fall asleep.
I want to be entertained and pass out.

**Sam Parr** (0:19)
Andrew, what's going on?

**Andrew Wilkinson** (0:22)
How you guys doing? Long time, no see.

**Sam Parr** (0:23)
Yeah, man, you went off the deep end.

**Andrew Wilkinson** (0:26)
At this period, I became a monk, pulled a Matthew McConaughey.

**Shaan Puri** (0:30)
Did Matthew McConaughey do that?

**Andrew Wilkinson** (0:32)
It was awesome. Yeah, apparently Matthew McConaughey, when he wanted to write his book, he drove into the desert, like four hours into the desert, and he literally lived in a shack for two months and wrote his book.

**Shaan Puri** (0:44)
Did you read it? I read that book, or I read part of it.
If you read it and you use Matthew McConaughey's voice while you're reading it, it's actually pretty entertaining because it's good stories, but also it's just stories about his life that I'm not sure I care that much about Matthew McConaughey's life.

**Sam Parr** (1:00)
Why wouldn't you just listen to the Audible book then if you wanted his voice to read it?

**Shaan Puri** (1:06)
Yeah, I don't know, I'm not smart enough to read that. That would have been way better.

**Sam Parr** (1:10)
Yeah, you should have done the Audible book then.

**Shaan Puri** (1:17)
Yeah, just honestly didn't think about it. It sounds like a good idea, I should probably do that.

**Sam Parr** (1:22)
So you, Andrew basically, we'll do the intro now. Andrew is a great friend of ours, has this big business called Tiny, where they own a bunch of different businesses, north of 100 million-ish or so in revenue, took a company public, whatever, you're successful in terms of career and traditional sense of successful.
You're a good friend, you normally come on a lot, but you just tweeted how you took off for all of August and you bailed because you were having a meltdown in which we all have had before, a digital overload meltdown and you just bailed, right?

**Andrew Wilkinson** (1:55)
Totally. It was really, it was bad. I mean, it's interesting to think about, I think this happened to everyone over COVID. Their life just shifted in a weird way and my life just became crappy over COVID, which is weird because I had this amazing year. We took a business public, we raised a big fund, we got to work with all these interesting people, we bought some great businesses. I didn't die of COVID, all these great things happened and yet I was totally miserable.
And when I look at it, when I zoom out, my old day, I don't know if you guys know, but I live in Victoria, Canada and I didn't even have an office. So I actually liked just working out of cafes. I would just go to the same cafe every day and I'd sit there with headphones on. Three or four of my friends would always work there. So it was kind of like cheers. There's always interesting people to talk to.
And my day was just broken up into a bunch of chunks.
So any given day, I wouldn't really be on the computer or in one place for more than an hour or two. And my day went from that to sitting in a house on my computer all day on Zoom and doing email.
And it just kind of made me miserable. And so when I look at what I love about business, I don't actually love, doing business is great, doing strategy, coming up with ideas, all that kind of stuff. But the cool thing about business is you get to meet interesting people. Business is just a hack, right? So if you're interested in health, you figure out a health business, you suddenly can meet all the most interesting people in that world.
And I'm an extrovert. So anyway, I was totally bummed and I started going on Twitter a lot because I was craving socializing. And I went from 20,000 followers to 170,000 followers. So I got totally hooked into that. And like a good day would be like I have a viral tweet or I go on your podcast or something. Something exciting happens. A bad day would be I say something on Twitter, I got dunked on, I got misunderstood, or it doesn't do well. Like what a ridiculous thing. Like I'd tweet and it would only get like 50 likes instead of 5,000 likes and it would like throw my day off. So I got to a point where I was just like, Jesus Christ, like this is totally ridiculous. I'm thinking about Twitter constantly. I'm checking Twitter constantly. And on top of that, I'm, you know, email, you know, checking stats, stocks.