Demis Hassabis on AGI, Robots Scale Production, and Elon’s $1T Mars-Shot Comp | EP #253

**Peter Diamandis** (0:00)
Demis Hassabis, the CEO of DeepMind says, AGI may not need a major breakthrough.

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (0:07)
I've argued in the past that we achieved AGI in the summer of 2020 We know, I would argue, what AGI is, and we know how to...

**Salim Ismail** (0:17)
Please define it for me.

**Peter Diamandis** (0:21)
Figure AI, they've increased production from one robot per day to one robot per hour. Their target is 100,000 robots between now and 2030 OneX Technologies' production goal is 10,000 robots this year, 100,000 in 2027 The prediction that comes both from Elon and from Brad Adcock, up to 10 billion humanoid robots by 2040

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (0:43)
It's probably right. What I think is perhaps even more interesting is, what does a post-humanoid robot form factor look like?

**Peter Diamandis** (0:51)
These are the kinds of conversations and imaginations that one can have in this exponential singularity that we're living in.

**Steven Kotler** (1:02)
Now, that's the Moonshot, ladies and gentlemen.

**Peter Diamandis** (1:11)
Everybody, welcome to a special episode of Moonshots here at MIT. This is a conversation around all things happening to uplift humanity. You know, I want to read something I wrote this morning as an introduction to today's episode because it's important. So welcome to Moonshots, where we distill the singularity. No politics, no bullshit, just the technology that changes the world, the breakthroughs, helping us uplift humanity, the news that matters most, changing our world, impacting our companies and our families. Our mission, to help you understand what it is, why it matters, with a dose of optimism. So, any fans of Moonshots here in the audience today?
Nice. Love it.
It is an honor and a pleasure. One of the things, you know, last night I was going to sleep, I just had this sense of absolute gratitude for the people in my life who I love and I have a chance to work with. I like to bring them on stage. First up, the man who is my guru on all things exponential investing. Let's give it up for DB2, Dave Blundin.

**Dave Blundin** (2:32)
Welcome back to MIT.

**Peter Diamandis** (2:33)
Thank you.
My partner at Link Ventures and an extraordinary friend. Dave and I go back, I don't know how many decades.

**Dave Blundin** (2:43)
Don't say it.

**Peter Diamandis** (2:44)
We were roommates at MIT.

**Dave Blundin** (2:46)
Right over there.

**Peter Diamandis** (2:46)
Theda Diltakai up on the third and fourth floor.
Basically, it was Dave, myself, Mike Seller from Strategy. And it's been a friendship that's lasted. Thank you, pal. I love the lobster on your shirt, by the way. Yeah, of course.

**Dave Blundin** (3:03)
Yeah, the MIT gear, we actually buy it at the coop. We don't steal the MIT logo and then we put the lobsters on. Okay, nice.

**Peter Diamandis** (3:09)
All right. All right. Let's turn the conversation next to another MIT alum. Another member of the Link exponential Ventures team, our resident genius, Alex Wissner-Gross. Give it up for AWG, everybody.
Yes, he is real.

**Dave Blundin** (3:33)
Maybe.

**Peter Diamandis** (3:33)
Maybe. I mean, the hologram technology has got really, really good.

**Dave Blundin** (3:37)
Seemed real.

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (3:38)
Could be an Android.

**Peter Diamandis** (3:39)
Yeah, that's true. Let me just check. Very plain.
Yes, it's good.

**Steven Kotler** (3:47)
Is that how you check for an Android? Is that the test?

**Peter Diamandis** (3:50)
Yeah. My fourth and final Moonshot made someone who is the godfather to my two boys, a dear friend, co-conspirator, a co-author and a co-founder of Singularity University. Give it up, everybody, for Salim Ismail.

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (4:14)
Hugsies, hugsies.

**Dave Blundin** (4:16)
I'm not doing that.

**Peter Diamandis** (4:18)
Good to see you, buddy.

**Dave Blundin** (4:19)
Likewise.

**Peter Diamandis** (4:20)
Looking good. And we have a special guest with us on the stage today. He is three times a Pulitzer Prize nominated author. He's the author of 17 books. He's my co-author of Abundance, Bold and The Futures Fast You Think. And now we are as gods. Let's give it up for Steven Kotler.
Nice. Ah, ah, yes. So, you know, it is so good to be back on campus.
It's been too long. I mean, one of the things I love about being a, you know, a partner with you at Link, Dave, is that I get to get back here on a reasonable basis. And Alex, you and I met, and I remember we met, and we had this, like, intense high bandwidth connection instantly, and then went to dinner and continued it, talking about everything from, you know, AI and ASI and aliens. And it just was, like, awesome.

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (5:25)