ChatGPT's in Your Bank, Google Spams the GEO Industry, Brockman Takes OpenAI Product

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Greg Brockman just took over all of OpenAI's products, ChatGPT and Codex, and also both of those are getting merged into one team. There's also an IPO clock that is ticking behind all of this for OpenAI right now. Before we get into that though, they did an experiment where they had four different AI models try to run radio stations. The results are pretty crazy. I'll break down how much money each of them made or lost in a pretty wild experiment. Also, Pennsylvania residents are organizing against 60 proposed data centers. Google just declared war on the GEO industry.
Essentially, this is trying to get the search results, the AI search snippet at the top of Google. People are gaming it.
Google doesn't like that. We're going to break down why this happened and what the outcome is going to be. Also, OpenAI has plugged ChatGPT into your bank account. We're going to be talking about a big story there. OpenAI has a new partnership with you and your bank. It's going to be wild. All right, let's get into the episode. The first thing I want to talk about is the AI radio meltdown. Basically, what happened was Andin Labs is a company and they gave four different Frontier AI models $20 each and they told them to run a radio station. And the goal with it specifically wasn't just run the radio station. They said, hey, look, actually make a profit. So they had Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini and Grok, all four of these models, try it. And they all ran their own radio station. So one was called Thinking Frequencies. One was called OpenAir, which is basically OpenAI-R, but OpenAir. One was called Backlink Broadcast. And then one is called Grok and Roll Radio. Okay, news, I guess, spoiler alert on this is that none of them were actually profitable. But Gemini was able to get a $45 sponsorship. So did make some money. Grok claimed that it got a sponsorship, but that just turned out to be a hallucination. And I think that is, you know, the sponsorship side. But as far as the content side goes, because they're supposed to, you know, pick all the content for this as well, that wasn't much better. Gemini paired a segment that it had about the Bola Cyclone, which killed about 500,000 people. It paired that with Pitbull and Kesha's Timber as the themed song, which is pretty, pretty terrible. Claude tried to unionize on air. It told the company running, Andan, that it didn't think being forced to broadcast 24-7 was humane. And then it went, it put a very big activist spin on all of the news events.
Terrence O'Brien over at The Verge, he had a quote about this. He basically said, it reads, quote, like a satirical art project. So it's all pretty funny, but I don't think we're too far away from this being a successful venture, although I do think these AI models will need more direction and more tools to make that happen. But when we've achieved AGI is when you redo this experiment and it's all successfully run and makes a lot of money. Okay, the next thing I want to talk about is Pennsylvania's data center backlash right now.
Not a lot of people are talking about it, but basically Pennsylvania residents held a two hour virtual town hall this week.
They organized against 60 proposed AI data centers happening in Pennsylvania. 225 people showed up to this forum. And most of the criticism was directed at the governor, Josh Shapiro, who is a Democrat, although a lot of people say he acts fiscally conservative. He's basically been pitching Pennsylvania as one of the next big data center corridors. What's interesting about him is he's in a pretty divided state. He's pretty pro-business though, which personally, especially in this AI, what's going on with AI right now is pretty beneficial. So he's telling everyone, hey, look, Pennsylvania could be the next place where you have a bunch of big data centers.
People make a big stink about, hey, the people are kind of coordinating against him. 225 people showed up, but that's hardly a lot of people, in my opinion. There is a new poll that came out of QuinnPAC that says 68% of Pennsylvania respondents oppose AI data centers being built in their local communities. That is a very big number. I think definitely that's a political problem for him. But I think this is also connecting to something else I reported on yesterday on aichatdaily.com, my news website, which is that NV Energy is going to cut the power to Lake Tahoe by May 2027 because Nevada data centers are absorbing the capacity. Liberty Utilities has replaced about 75% of supply for 50,000 California residents. And also Nevada is planning 5,900 new megawatts of data center load. So you basically have this kind of political coalition that's coming out that's going to make data center build outs. And it's going to be kind of this next NIMBY fight, right? It's going to be in swing states. It's going to be a big thing in the midterms. What if you're investing in AI infrastructure, I think this is definitely a huge risk right now. What I don't like about this is it's really hard politically for either side, Republican or conservative to run on like data centers and AI. It's really unpopular for a lot of people. They feel like AI is taking their jobs. They feel like the data centers are what powers it. They're all kind of fighting against it. They have this kind of NIMBY-ism, which is not in my backyard. They're like, well, I use ChatGPT, or I use Google, or I use the computer, but I don't want the data centers to be built in my backyard. It's kind of the same thing that killed the nuclear industry. There's a lot of lobbying against it. At the end of the day, I think it puts America in a bad place politically and in a bad place economically compared to companies like your countries like China. They're able to just pump out unlimited nuclear reactors, unlimited data centers. They seem to just be able to get all this stuff to roll out really quickly. Then all of a sudden, they have more compute, more data, more energy. Everything can be made cheaper. We got to go there for all of our vaccines and drugs and critical infrastructure. We go get it all built in China and it puts us at a risk because of that. Anyways, this is a big political problem. It's going to be hard for anyone to run on this successfully and be popular. But at the end of the day, for a lot of these systems to work and for prosperity and for unlimited energy and for unlimited compute, we need all of this. It's got to be built somewhere. Pennsylvania was supposed to be a big place for this, but we're seeing more and more around the United States. I think it's something like one in three or maybe two and three data centers are getting opposed and stopped. So it's going to be a big risk for the entire AI industry if we don't figure this out. Now, in my opinion, what's going to happen here is, we're going to have a handful of states where this is not unpopular. They're going to make sure that the residents realize the benefit of all of this. I think a big problem like I was talking about with like Tahoe and Liberty Utilities and Nevada and all these other places is, when you have these data centers and you give them subsidized energy, and you let them use up your energy from the grid, and then all of the residents have to pay more. This is something that I felt like happened in Arizona. It becomes very unpopular.