BREAKING: Elon Musk's First Interview Since Jury Rejected Claim Against Altman's OpenAI!!!

**Astronaut Man** (0:00)
Latest interview of Elon Musk. Alright everybody, we have a very special guest, listen. We love all of you. This is the most amazing room of innovators in America.
We love you all. It's a dinner of equals, but there can only be one number one. We're Forbes, we do rank things.
And the Forbes 250 innovators, the number one innovator, and it wasn't that close to be honest, was Elon Musk. So, and we are very honored to have him join us. Elon, are you here?

**Elon Musk** (0:38)
Oh, yeah.

**Astronaut Man** (0:39)
Oh, we're glad that you're here. Thank you. There he is.

**Elon Musk** (0:46)
You do like ranking things, it's true.

**Astronaut Man** (0:48)
We do. We're good at it. And again, first, congratulations. It was not that close. There were a lot of battles in a lot of places, number one was not in doubt. But anyway, this is a room of your people. Yeah.
Well, there's a room of your people. I will say, they were asking the first question, and we want to get really nerdy about innovation. The first question though, that everybody was asking is, all right, ask Elon. We had one of the great cases in the world of innovation over the last few weeks. What's Elon's verdict on the verdict today?
The case in Oakland, yes.

**Elon Musk** (1:31)
Oh, that good. That's like, what are you doing?

**Astronaut Man** (1:37)
Yeah.

**Elon Musk** (1:41)
Yeah, that's, well, they basically just decided that the Stanford wouldn't pay things that fast. They did not actually render an opinion on whether there had been an unadjusted enrichment or the shaft beat had been stolen, which I think is obviously the case.
So, but I do think it's somewhat a dubious situation, because, you know, what happened was by degrees. I mean, it wasn't stolen once, it was stolen one piece at a time. And so we have to say like, well, was there even a basis for legal action before, you know, proper to the stolen? I don't think there is, actually. So, you know, like the first step, I don't know if I'll belabor this point, the first step into adding a for-profit thing had a cap for-profit and was at a small scale. And also that all stock would revert to the charity upon the adventure of artificial general intelligence.
That close is not going to remove. So, it will continue to be a full profit after developing artificial general intelligence. That removal was quite recent, just in the last few weeks.
So, at this point, it is, whatever, an 800 billion dollar full profit company somehow from a non-profit. I think this is a dangerous precedent to set, because if it means that someone can take money as a non-profit, convert that to a full profit when it's successful, it undermines all charitable giving in America.

**Astronaut Man** (3:35)
And certainly would, you'd see a lot of people starting to start non-profits with the path towards for-profit.

**Elon Musk** (3:41)
What do you get to lose?

**Astronaut Man** (3:43)
Exactly. You said on X, you're appealing, optimistic about the appeal?

**Elon Musk** (3:48)
Yeah. I think we necessarily have to appeal, because this will become precedent, which people can actually then essentially loot charities and use this case as a basis for doing so, which I think would be wrong.

**Astronaut Man** (4:06)
Let's talk innovation. Your title we have up here, I mean, again, you're the CEO of four major companies, even those companies have major companies within those companies.
Was this part of the plan or did it just happen?

**Elon Musk** (4:22)
More or less just happened. I mean, well, let's just say that when I was in college, I wanted to be part of things that would change the world in a significant way.
I didn't originally think I wanted to be doing things in AI because AI was somewhat of a double-edged sword, but I did want to accelerate the transition to a sustainable energy economy, which is the sort of electric cars, solar and batteries. And, you know, I think some kind of brain-machine interface that can give you cybernetic superpowers, I think is probably good. It could, you know, help people that have brain or spine injuries, you know, restore, enable people who have never spoken for years to speak again, which we've done, give people eyesight who have lost both eyes or the optic nerve, or maybe have never even seen at all, blind from birth. By direct interface to the optical centers in the brain, you can actually restore eyesight or give people eyesight that they've never had before. And you can enable people to walk again, which I think is profound. I mean, these are kind of Jesus-level things, you know, like when technologies are hitting like Jesus-level miracles, you know, like, that's pretty good.