**Robbie Mitchnick** (0:30)
So Bitcoin is one of the biggest risk factors or disruptive threats that face the rest of the traditional asset class base occurring and Bitcoin reminding people of its value proposition as a monetary alternative that exists independently of the political, economic, fiscal, monetary systems of any one country, right? And so, whether that's a renewed focus on debt and deficits like we've talked about, other geopolitically disruptive events, we've seen a handful of these over time, whether it's conflict between nations, concerns over stress in banking systems, political upheaval in important economies and parts of the world.
These have at times been catalysts to Bitcoin in the past. I think that memory of those has faded a little bit and been overrun partly by the sort of risk on trading mentality and narrative. But one or more of those episodes coming back and a re-reminder of the important role that we believe Bitcoin can play as a diversifier and a potential hedge in portfolios, that I think the conversation shifts from, is this too risky for us to actually, is it risky not to hold any?
**SPEAKER_2** (1:55)
One more real quickly, Robbie, before we wrap. So for the Bitcoiner in our audience who might be still wary of Wall Street getting too close to their asset, what would you say to them?
**Robbie Mitchnick** (2:05)
Well, these ETFs have been incredibly successful, but they're still a very modest part of the overall Bitcoin market.
And Bitcoin is not controlled by anyone. It's an incredibly decentralized asset that's part of the huge appeal and differentiation that it has. So I think that actors like us and other asset managers and banks that have taken an interest in this space and worked to develop products, I think they've made this space stronger, more diversified, and have helped make this accessible to more investors. So I hope people appreciate that that's been a force for good, ultimately, for Bitcoin.
**Optimistfields** (2:53)
Okay, guys. So first of all, that beginning, you know, I'm a fan of Robbie Mitchnick. I like the work he's doing, but that first part was kind of brutal to get through. You think, you know, when the Blackrock asset managers would come in, that they would be able to speak a little better about the space? I mean, that's their job, right? I don't know how I am a little even more entertaining than he is. I mean, but hey, hey, I guess it's subjective, right? There's two things that I want to point out.
The first one is, I think, the big signal of that clip, which is we have entered a new era. We've been talking about this for a while. So for you guys that watch the show every single day, forgive me for repeating this message. But as we've seen in the last year, yeah, I would say last year in particular, obviously since January 2024, when BlackRock launched their Bitcoin ETF, there's been a very consistent message in the traditional markets around Bitcoin. And it's this idea of, oh, hey, Bitcoin is too risky to invest in. I don't want to put money into this thing. And I do have, literally forgive me again, we got the latest update on the Clarity Act, so I'll cover that in a little bit. But as we are in this Clarity Act fight right now to get regulations into Bitcoin, we are starting to see a bunch of factors that are leading the institution, Wall Street in particular, to view Bitcoin from a thing that's too risky to invest in to a thing that is probably risky not to invest in right now. As we've been covering for a while, we have entered a new phase of Bitcoin adoption. We've entered this era where it's not a matter of if I should buy Bitcoin, it's how much should I buy Bitcoin? How much of my portfolio should I get in Bitcoin? We've been covering these new reports consistently whenever they drop from these institutions, whether it's Fidelity, Bitwise, or even the BlackRock ones. We have gone to a portion where it basically get off zero. Look, it doesn't matter what percentage of your portfolio, or if you're all in like we are, and you view it as money, but you need to get off zero. So if that means just investing 1%, maybe 2%, which is probably like the safe conservative bet right here, or right now that we're seeing from all of the institutions, like, hey, look, just put 2% in your portfolio. There was actually a good, I don't even think I liked it, but there was a good graphic showing Bill Miller's portfolio, who's a long time Bitcoin investor. And he, I think, if I remember correctly, he basically just invested about 2% of his portfolio into Bitcoin in 2014 And now over that 10, 12 years, Bitcoin's like half of its portfolio, simply by just that 2% sitting there, not moving, not being touched, because of the growth and compounding growth of Bitcoin, it's become a huge portion of people's portfolios, which is something that James Lavish has talked about last year, where he said, look, the 60-40 portfolio just, it doesn't work anymore. And the risk return, the ROI of just adding 1% to 2% of your portfolio into Bitcoin in that traditional 60-40 portfolio management kind of allocation, the returns, it's basically like you're dumb not to do it, because the risk of losing that 1% is like, okay, 1% of your portfolio, hey, everyone makes a bad trade. But if Bitcoin continues to grow, then obviously the returns are like exponential compared to just a traditional 60-40 portfolio. So what we've seen right now, and I think this is part of the broader conversation that everyone's trying to wrap their head around, is that look, you can maintain a more traditional portfolio allocation, say 60-40 bonds and stocks, or you can invest in real estate, or maybe you're a little more of the doomer side, and you want to have bonds and stocks and real estate and gold, but you are really missing out on a lot by not adding Bitcoin into that portfolio. Now, obviously, when I say portfolio for a lot of us, Bitcoin is like, hey, Bitcoin isn't a trade. It's not just an investment. Like this is our money. Like what are you talking about, Opti? Did big Bitcoin get you? And actually, on that note, before I go on, I did get a message. I got reached out this morning by big Bitcoin, and they said if I didn't pledge my loyalty and undying allegiance to big Bitcoin, then they will pull all of our funding. So hey, we're... No, I'm joking. It was a joke.
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