Anthropic overtakes OpenAI as most valuable startup

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Anthropic has raised $65 billion at a nearly $1 trillion valuation, officially surpassing OpenAI as the most valuable artificial intelligence startup in the world.

**SPEAKER_6** (1:42)
Yeah. The amount of capital involved there is difficult to process, especially when you factor in that Anthropic's run rate revenue has crossed $47 billion.

**SPEAKER_5** (1:53)
Right. The main question we have to figure out is how the company that started the generative AI boom actually lost the valuation lead, and what this shift means for the software that runs our daily work.

**SPEAKER_6** (2:05)
Because you look at the new valuation hierarchy, and it is completely different. Anthropic's Series H funding round puts their valuation multiple at roughly 20.5 times their stated $47 billion annual recurring revenue.

**SPEAKER_5** (2:19)
Which is, I mean, you compare that to OpenAI's last known valuation of $852 billion, and that was based on roughly $24 billion in annualized revenue.

**SPEAKER_6** (2:27)
Yeah, the revenue trajectories just look completely different on paper.

**SPEAKER_5** (2:30)
They do, but you have to understand how those numbers are constructed before you can draw any real conclusions. Taking that $47 billion run rate at face value is kind of a mistake.

**SPEAKER_6** (2:40)
It is, yeah. Because both companies keep their fully audited, independent, third-party billing numbers private.
So comparing these trajectories is more about market perception than apples-to-apples accounting.

**SPEAKER_5** (2:54)
Right. The headline numbers are designed for investors. They aren't for accountants. You really have to dig into the methodology to see what is actually generating that revenue.

**SPEAKER_6** (3:03)
Well, the mechanics behind Anthropics run rate show that it basically functions as an intra-ecosystem aggregate.

**SPEAKER_5** (3:09)
Meaning a large portion of this revenue is billed through cloud providers.

**SPEAKER_6** (3:14)
Exactly. If you run a logistics company and you integrate a model through your existing cloud contract, your total growth spend gets recorded in that run rate.

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**SPEAKER_6** (3:29)
But the cloud provider takes a substantial cut before the cash actually hits the model developer's balance sheet.

**SPEAKER_5** (3:36)
Yeah, which creates the circular flow of capital. I mean, the revenue numbers are enormous, but the origin of the money is totally tangled up with the infrastructure providers.

**SPEAKER_6** (3:45)
Right, the companies supplying the computing power are also routing the customers.
And they're taking a toll on the transaction. You're looking at gross figures that haven't been scrubbed of these retrocession agreements.

**SPEAKER_5** (3:59)
And we should explain what a retrocession agreement actually is in this context, because that term usually belongs in the insurance industry.

**SPEAKER_6** (4:05)
Yeah, it's basically a complex revenue sharing deal when we talk about cloud computing.

**SPEAKER_5** (4:09)
The cloud provider acts as a middleman. They sell Anthropic's AI to their existing enterprise clients.

**SPEAKER_6** (4:16)
In an exchange for providing the customer and the physical compute infrastructure, the cloud provider keeps a heavy percentage of the fee.

**SPEAKER_5** (4:23)
So the actual net revenue that Anthropic can use to pay engineers or build data centers is just a fraction of that top line number, which leads directly to the cap table for Anthropic's round.

**SPEAKER_6** (4:34)
Because the syndicate of investors isn't just traditional financial capital, $15 billion of this raise came from prior hyperscaler commitments.