A Numbers Game | August 12, 2026 | Hour 2

**Kelley Bydlon** (0:00)
The numbers told the story, they always do. Swando's idiots who believe in analytics.

**Paul Sporer** (0:05)
This is A Numbers Game with Gill Alexander on VSiN.

**Gill Alexander** (0:08)
Hour number two of A Numbers Game at VSiN, eSportsBettyNetwork, vsin.com, GamePlus, iHeartRadio, YouTube TV, SiriusXSep Channel 158, Gill Alexander, Kelley Bydlon. I should really stop doing this because it's wrong to do, but I will suggest it to people again. Whenever that VSiN plus plus plus subscription comes out or for Conversations Off Air.
Oh, that's a good one.

**Kelley Bydlon** (0:30)
Conversations Off Air for us. And then, I mean, by the books, if you're looking for regular and I'm saying they go to break and then for two and a half minutes, you need golf scoreboard updates. Dave Ross has got you covered. You don't need to go to another channel. You don't need to open up an app. Dave Ross is just talking to Jensen Lewis, whether he's listening or not about golf scoreboard updates.

**Gill Alexander** (0:55)
He couldn't care less. He's just...

**Kelley Bydlon** (0:56)
I love it. Dave helps me out big time on Thursday and Friday. I can prep for the show and I can get updated on golf scores while I'm doing it. It works out very well for me.

**Gill Alexander** (1:05)
Oh, a couple of things. Kelley on the FedEx St. Jude coming up this hour.

**Kelley Bydlon** (1:07)
That's right.

**Gill Alexander** (1:08)
And speaking of By the Books, which is hosted by Dave Ross, Captain America and Jensen Lewis, prior to us being on air here Monday through Friday. They had, I heard as I was going in the shower this morning, getting ready for work, they were about to have Phil Steele on.
Phil Steele, author of, author. Well, I think we talked about this off air.

**Kelley Bydlon** (1:28)
Do we not talk about that on air?

**Gill Alexander** (1:29)
Not the part I'm about to get to we didn't talk about on air. So Phil Steele, obviously the godfather of college football betting guides, they had him on. I'm sure they had a lovely discussion. I wasn't able to hear it. But I don't know if they brought up. Have you heard this, Kelley and I talked about this off air yesterday?
Aaron Schatz, who does his own NFL guide, brought this up to us last year or the year before. He's like, you know, I have my own guide, but there's imposters out there who are copying my guide or acting like they're me, selling it on. I don't know if they reproduced it in mass.

**Kelley Bydlon** (2:10)
They were like reproducing and selling it on Amazon.

**Gill Alexander** (2:13)
He's got his guide a lot, and it was really pissing off Aaron Schatz and rightfully so. He worked on it for months and then they come in. So Phil Steele now has like four other people stealing, like basically acting like they are him with his guide. And in some, I'm laughing, it's not funny, but in some cases-

**Kelley Bydlon** (2:35)
But there's funny parts.

**Gill Alexander** (2:36)
There's funny parts. They'll tell you the two that I find funny. One, in some cases, they've changed the numbers. So in other words, they're giving you erroneous Phil Steel statistics.

**Kelley Bydlon** (2:44)
Right, in predictions.

**Gill Alexander** (2:45)
Yeah. And the part that amuses me the most, and again, it's not an amusing situation, but the part of this that I do find amusing is of all the cons that you could come up with in life.

**Kelley Bydlon** (2:57)
It's incredible.

**Gill Alexander** (2:58)
What's the thought process for you to get from, you know, I'm a con man. I'm looking for a con. I know what I'll do. I'll do preview guides and just go and try to like make money. How much of those things cost a few bucks at a time?

**Kelley Bydlon** (3:14)
I mean, that's a good question. I don't know what Phil's is. I'm going to guess 20 bucks.

**Gill Alexander** (3:17)
I mean, what are we doing there?

**Kelley Bydlon** (3:20)
OK, so so first of all, this is blown up even more from yesterday because I am now on a New York Times article about this.

**Gill Alexander** (3:26)
Oh, they picked up on it.

**Paul Sporer** (3:27)
It's up on. Yeah.

**Kelley Bydlon** (3:29)
And there is, you know, one of the things we were talking about that only were people changing like a wording of his. But there's all four of them that are available or were available, apparently, were four different lengths and page length.
So it was, you know, you had no idea what you were getting. Just be careful. I mean, I feel bad.