#2500 - Scott Horton

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

**Scott Horton** (0:13)
Do I sound okay? Check, check, check. This is my normal complaint volume.

**Joe Rogan** (0:16)
Is it either one of those one ear on, one ear off, guys?

**Scott Horton** (0:19)
Yeah, my right ear hurts a lot from years of this, and so I usually just leave it off.

**Joe Rogan** (0:24)
There's a volume adjuster thing, too, so if it's too loud, you can turn it up or turn it down.

**Scott Horton** (0:28)
You sound good. No, it's just I have a pain in my right ear, so I try not to antagonize it.

**Joe Rogan** (0:32)
Thank you very much for the gift, ladies and gentlemen. Scott Horton gave me a professorial pipe. Like I was saying, Metzger uses a pipe now because of you.

**Scott Horton** (0:42)
I love that guy.

**Joe Rogan** (0:43)
He's the best.

**Scott Horton** (0:44)
He's so funny.

**Joe Rogan** (0:45)
He's such a nut.

**Scott Horton** (0:46)
When he comes into the room, he just blows the room away.

**Joe Rogan** (0:49)
Yeah.

**Scott Horton** (0:49)
He's just a force in there. It's incredible.

**Joe Rogan** (0:52)
He's a giant dude, so he hovers over you like, oh, you didn't know? You don't know about this? Then he just hits you with 15 conspiracies in a row, rapid fire with no breaks in between them.
So thanks for doing this, man.

**Scott Horton** (1:05)
Yeah, thanks for having me.

**Joe Rogan** (1:06)
We have a great mutual friend and Dave Smith. He recommends you highly, so I'm glad we could finally do this. I wish there was more going on in the world right now we could talk about though. It seems like everything is so calm and peaceful.

**Scott Horton** (1:16)
We'll just have to go back over Vietnam or something.

**Joe Rogan** (1:18)
Yeah, the old stuff back when we didn't know any better.

**Scott Horton** (1:23)
It's kind of a myth.

**Joe Rogan** (1:24)
Yeah, I've seen you argue on television like a thousand times. Do you enjoy like that Pierce Morgan type chaos?

**Scott Horton** (1:33)
No. Yeah.
In fact, I just got back from England. I got invited to do the Oxford Debate, which I lost on Ukraine. But then I invited myself on Pierce Morgan Live as long as I was in town.

**Joe Rogan** (1:47)
When you say you lost the debate, is that because the people voted that were in the audience?

**Scott Horton** (1:52)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (1:52)
All those people with Ukraine flags?

**Scott Horton** (1:55)
Well, they didn't have Ukraine flags that time. I think someone showed an old picture or something. Yeah, same crowd. So what happened was, yeah, when they leave, they either leave through the yes door or the no door.
The yeses had it, which was unbelievable to me, but not that I did my very best job. Well, on Pierce Morgan, I was trying to get myself just to interview, so I could just talk to him about some things. Instead, they just prefer that format where you got to mix it up with a guy, which I can do that too.

**Joe Rogan** (2:22)
Yeah, the interview thing is way better.
The thing that he does, though, is really good for engagement. He's very smart. Like Pierce has done, he's mastered it. He's taken the Jerry Springer-type format and thrown it into the world of politics and any other social issue that's going on.

**Scott Horton** (2:41)
Yeah, but it is, too, like, years ago, the guy from antiwar.com can't be on TV, but we can be on his show. He doesn't care. He's cool with it. I mean, I got the same thing here. That is a big change from how things used to be. We just had this whole separate conversation going on below the higher one where he has reach up and down the chain, I guess is a way to put it.

**Joe Rogan** (3:02)
Is he on TV, TV or is it just YouTube?

**Scott Horton** (3:04)
No, but he just has massive viewership, so it counts, I guess.

**Joe Rogan** (3:08)
TV, TV is actually a hindrance now because the only way people watch TV, TV is clips that someone takes and puts on X or YouTube. That's it.

**Scott Horton** (3:16)
Or they just see it accidentally. It just happens to be on when they're in the room or whatever.

**Joe Rogan** (3:21)
What a fucking dying market.
Imagine if you're in broadcast television right now and you're just thinking, what am I doing? This is a bad format. You have to break for commercials every seven minutes. No conversation could ever get into depth. There's executives in your ear telling you what to say and what not to say. They'll edit out anything that they think is controversial that's going to fuck with their sponsors or fuck with the government or with whatever their narrative is.