#2496 - Julia Mossbridge

**Julia Mossbridge** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Rogan** (0:14)
Pleasure to meet you.

**Julia Mossbridge** (0:16)
Yeah, I'm very excited.

**Joe Rogan** (0:17)
So you said you had questions for me? We can start with your questions.

**Julia Mossbridge** (0:20)
Excellent.

**Joe Rogan** (0:22)
First of all, tell everybody what you do.

**Julia Mossbridge** (0:23)
Okay, let me just change the angle of this.

**Joe Rogan** (0:25)
Just so folks just tune in right now, we're going, who is this young lady?

**Julia Mossbridge** (0:30)
Thank you. I'm a year younger than you.

**Joe Rogan** (0:32)
They're younger than you're young.

**Julia Mossbridge** (0:35)
Nice. What do I do?
I was trained as a scientist, cognitive neuroscience and computer science, and did some AI stuff, did some stuff with the human brain in terms of trying to understand how time works in the human brain. Then I got really interested in how funky time works in the human brain, like precognition, which is, of course, predicting future events in ways that we don't normally think about.

**Joe Rogan** (1:02)
That's how I found out about it.

**Julia Mossbridge** (1:04)
That's used the Popular Mechanics article.

**Joe Rogan** (1:05)
Yeah, I believe so.

**Julia Mossbridge** (1:06)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (1:07)
Then a bunch of other stuff that I looked at.

**Julia Mossbridge** (1:09)
Then a bunch of other stuff, yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (1:10)
Yeah.

**Julia Mossbridge** (1:10)
Then I got interested in just the idea of what we call exceptional human performance.
I actually don't think it's that exceptional. I think people have these capacities and they've been dampened down, and they're in us, and they can be developed, and some people have them just sort of naturally. I'm a person who has some of them just naturally, not all of them. But there are people all over who have these different gifts, and how does that work? So that became a question that was interesting to me.

**Joe Rogan** (1:36)
Well, it's always interesting when this question is asked by an actual scientist. So you approach it by, let's try to gather data, let's try to find out what we can actually show. Because so many people have feelings that there's something else. You have intuition, you have some sort of pre-knowledge of events and some feeling of something. You're thinking of someone and they call you, is that real?
That kind of stuff is always puzzled people. So it's always fascinating when someone like yourself actually spends a lot of time studying it and trying to gather data and trying to show what's real and what's not, what you can actually show.

**Julia Mossbridge** (2:17)
I agree it's fascinating. I'm not sure it matters. So, I mean, my experience has been that sort of regardless of how much time I spend studying it and how much I see it, and how much I can test different controls to make sure it's not this, that, or the other thing and that it really is getting information from the future or it really is telepathy, people still kind of don't in the science world tend to just ignore it. Or it actually is actively suppressed. I mean, there's some papers that I've published that just won't get listed in Google Scholar, even though they're in peer-reviewed journals with other articles that do get listed in Google Scholar. So it's frustrating and who cares because it's just an academic complaining. But I'm also not an academic. I also want to build things. I'm into making stuff. So I got my PhD at these tier one research institutions like Northwestern. Got my masters at UC San Francisco. I did my postdoc at Northwestern. So fancy dancy institutions.
So I learned a lot about how to think and how to write and how to do these kind of experiments. And I know what I'm seeing and I keep seeing it. And other people who study the same stuff keep seeing it. But it is inside of me or there's something inside of me that wants to create things with this. Okay, so this is happening. People have these capacities. You know, they're actually useful. What can we do with them? And it turns out you can do a lot. You can talk with them if you feel like you are allowed to have them, if it doesn't feel like it's verboten, if it doesn't feel like shameful, which is part of the cultural piece. Or foolish. Or foolish, which is part of the questions I wanted to ask you.
So what I notice when you talk with people is you're like, you seem like a tough guy, but you're really sensitive. Like you're an incredible, obviously an incredible listener.