#2479 - Bob Lazar & Luigi Vendittelli

**Joe Rogan** (0:01)
Joe Rogan Podcast, checking out The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Luigi Vendittelli** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Bob Lazar** (0:13)
Hey, Joe.

**Joe Rogan** (0:14)
Great to see you again, Bob.

**Bob Lazar** (0:15)
Same here, long time.

**Joe Rogan** (0:16)
Luigi, Joe, you are still, to this day, the most watched ever podcast we have ever done that's on YouTube.

**Bob Lazar** (0:26)
That's just unreal. It's unreal.

**Joe Rogan** (0:28)
It is unreal, because it shows you how many people are just absolutely fascinated by the story. And what you guys have done in this new film is essentially recreate S4 and using AI, recreate you as a young man in these experiences that you had. And it was really excellent. Luigi, you're the one who put the film together. You figured it all out. And first of all, what was the technology that you guys used to recreate everything that you did?

**Luigi Vendittelli** (1:01)
Yeah, I just want to say there's about 10% AI in the film, but there's 90% blender. And that's actually handmade CGI. So everything you see is all handmade. And even the de-aging of Bob Lazar, we scanned Bob. We went over to his house, scanned his face, took a process of de-aging him through that, then creating a digital model of Bob in different ages, and then placing him in the environment. And then in some instances at the very end, we perfected or kind of put a bow on it with a little touch of AI. But the whole thing is handmade. So the craft, the environment, the Papoose Lake, the facility, the equipment, and the people were all made. And some of the people are actually real actors that we put in there. So it's not, it's, there's one of the guys that is Barry in the film is a guy called Luis Martinez that's been working with me for the past 10 years. And he laughs at it because he goes, I can't believe I'm Barry, you know, so.

**Joe Rogan** (2:08)
Does he look anything like Barry?

**Bob Lazar** (2:10)
Actually he does. He does.

**Luigi Vendittelli** (2:12)
That's why we chose him.

**Bob Lazar** (2:13)
Yeah, yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (2:14)
Where is the actual Barry now?

**Bob Lazar** (2:17)
I don't know, you know, I kind of thought at one point, after all this happened, we would at least hear from one of those guys. But I never heard from anybody after, you know, after the initial release of all the information, yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (2:34)
It seems like, wow, I don't know, if people are able to keep secrets for this long, it's got to be very difficult to just blurt it out. Like, you know, you're holding on to a secret for 20, 30, 40 years, you're... It's like...

**Bob Lazar** (2:50)
I guess these guys were lifers though. I mean, they spent most of their time there. They spent at least two weeks at a time and one week off. So they stayed at the base. I mean, these guys were hardcore. I had just come in on the project, you know?
So, I don't know. I don't know what happened to them. I'd love to know. I suspect that Dennis Mariani, my supervisor, died. I've seen people track him down, you know, all the way to point to speaking to his family. And they said, yeah, he had some classified job out in the desert or something. They showed me his gravestone and stuff. So, you know, at least they were able to track him down. But I've never heard of any leads on Barry or Renee or anybody like that.

**Joe Rogan** (3:31)
What is it like seeing the recreation of it in a film? Because, I mean, essentially, it was your direction, for lack of a better word, your description of it, you telling them exactly how everything was laid out. And then once they recreated it, what is that feeling like when you watch it?

**Bob Lazar** (3:56)
Well, the final product is absolutely mind-blowing because, as I've said to Luigi, it looks like you guys downloaded that out of my brain. I mean, you know, you can describe something 100 times and until you actually make a picture, it doesn't become clear. But, you know, this took years. I think it was like five and a half years from when I first met Luigi and he said, yeah, I can do this. And the quality kept improving to where he started showing me pictures. And I went, Jesus, that's really it. It's not really it, it's really it. And I mean, it blew me away. Later on, he showed me a 3D environment where I could put goggles on and move around in the inside. That made the hair stand up on my arms. It was unbelievable. So I don't know if I could really describe how that made me feel, but it felt like I was teleported back there. And that's when really I developed an admiration for Luigi's talent. I said, I'm behind this and flew out to Canada a couple of times. I didn't have much to do with the film other than, I guess, a couple of times going out there and going, no, that's right. That's the wrong color, move this here, do that. But those guys spent over three years working on it.