#2466 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

**Joe Rogan** (0:01)
Joe Rogan Podcast, checking out The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Konstantin Kisin** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Rogan** (0:12)
Okay, so when we scheduled this, there was nothing happening.

**SPEAKER_5** (0:15)
The world was so peaceful.

**Francis Foster** (0:16)
Every time we're here, something crazy is going on, man.

**Joe Rogan** (0:20)
Yeah, maybe we manifest it.

**Konstantin Kisin** (0:23)
To be honest, 2026 did start with a bang.

**Joe Rogan** (0:27)
Yeah.

**Francis Foster** (0:28)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (0:28)
Yeah. Well, a lot of things, you know, it's just nothing seems stable everywhere. Everywhere in the world seems fucked right now. Like this is the like, in all of my years, this seems the most unstable globally. Like, I never worried that the UK was going to be like complete chaos, arresting 12,000 people for social media posts and abandoning trial by jury, all that shit. I never thought the Ukraine-Russia war would go on this long. Never thought. Never thought they would just continue bombing Gaza. And then what's happening now? They just sort of stop. And now they're talking about putting a resort there.
What? Like, you hear that and you go, are you fucking serious?

**Francis Foster** (1:21)
Right.

**Joe Rogan** (1:21)
Tim Dillon has a, I won't give the bit away, he has a fucking phenomenal bit about staying in that resort.

**Francis Foster** (1:30)
Yeah, and you boys have been busy as well, Joe.

**Joe Rogan** (1:32)
Yeah, and I was going to get to that. The embarrassing part. In the middle of Ramadan, you take out the leader of a Muslim country, and...

**Francis Foster** (1:44)
They're hangry already and you're fucking with it.

**Joe Rogan** (1:46)
Well, no. They're really, yeah. They can't even drink water. And then, you know, I was listening to Tim Dillon's podcast today. He's got a great podcast with Ryan Grim and one other gentleman. But one of the things that they brought up was that some of these drone attacks, it doesn't even seem like they're from Iran. Some of these drone attacks on Gulf states. Like that one of them, I don't want to speak out of turn because I'm not exactly sure which ones they're talking about. They're talking about one of them on either it's a oil refinery, I think it is an oil refinery, that it doesn't seem like it came from Iran.

**Francis Foster** (2:32)
Where did it come from?

**Joe Rogan** (2:33)
That's a good question.

**Francis Foster** (2:34)
One of their proxies?

**Joe Rogan** (2:36)
That's a good question. The fear is a flag. That's the fear. If you really wanted to get really scared of what we're dragged into, you're dragged into an ally that's not telling you the truth and is also doing some other stuff.
I'm not even saying that that's the case, but a lot of people are assuming that that's what it is.

**Konstantin Kisin** (2:58)
But that's what happens when you have an absence of information. So the moment you have an absence of information, there's a vacuum. And nature abhors a vacuum, you need to have that vacuum filled. So that's where conspiracies naturally flourish. Because if people don't have information, then they're going to basically theorize. And part of people theorizing is conspiracies are going to start flourishing.

**Joe Rogan** (3:21)
I think they were basing it on where the drone came from. Let's see if we can find some information on that, Jamie.

**Jamie** (3:29)
I will try. It was Jeremy Scahill was the other reporter on the video.

**Francis Foster** (3:35)
I just find it amazing now how many people have like a hard take on like what's going on. I'm like, we don't know a fucking thing about what's going on. Like the coin is in the air, right? We do not know how it's going to, but everyone's got to take. Everyone knows. We do not, I don't think anyone knows. Like I understand if you work at the White House or if you work in Russian propaganda or you work in Chinese propaganda or if you work in Iranian, like you've got to get your point of view across to try and persuade people. But if you're actually trying to work out what's genuinely happening, I don't think anyone knows how, this is a gamble of gigantic proportions and nobody knows how it's going to end. It's just so unpredictable. And I can tell you a great story that is like positive for the West, let's say, or for America. I can tell you a terrible story and they both sound very convincing and no one knows which one of them is true.

**Joe Rogan** (4:28)
Yeah, that's a very good point. This is the hot take culture, right? Everyone has a take and they want that take to be that expert take. So specific drone attack incidents that call potential flags, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Aramco rather, oil facility attack. So Iranian officials deny striking the Saudi Aramco processing facility and instead suggest Israel may have carried out that attack as a flag to inflame Gulf opinion and pull Saudi Arabia more directly into the war with Iran. So Ryan Grim explicitly says he thinks Iran's claims that Israel hit the Aramco facility need to be taken seriously and that it's very possible Israel did it. And this was the other one, the drone strike on the British base in Cyprus.