#2460 - Rachel Wilson

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Unknown** (0:06)
Shrink by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Rogan** (0:13)
What's happening? Very nice to see you again.
So when your husband Andrew came in here, he told me about your book, and then I talked to you, and you seemed very interesting, and you gave me a little brief synopsis of it. And so then I listened to it on audio tape, and it's fucking crazy. And it is the Occult Feminism, the Secret History of Women's Liberation. You know, I didn't really have much of an opinion on feminism. My opinion was, you know, unfortunately, you run into some feminists that just seemed to not like men for whatever reason. And, you know, there's a lot of people in this world that aren't happy with their position or station in life, but I didn't really think too much into how this all got started until I listened to your book. And I'm like, this is kind of bonkers. So before we get into your book, like, how did you decide to write about this? Like, what was your little journey?

**Rachel Wilson** (1:09)
Oh.

**Joe Rogan** (1:09)
Or big journey?

**Rachel Wilson** (1:10)
Yeah, it's kind of a big journey. So when I was growing up, I was like in all the advanced kid classes. And from the time I was in, like, kindergarten, it was just pounded into my head, like, you're going to college. You're going to have a career.
You know, you're smart and you have to do something with that. It was like the only option that was put before me. And so I followed that path, like all the way through school. And by the time I got done with 12 years of regular school, I realized a couple of things. One is school is not where you go to learn things. School isn't, public school is not so great for smart people, for the most part, and that I really didn't like, like another four years of school just sounded like hell to me. And I really just wanted to get married and have kids. That's kind of what I always wanted to do, much to the horror of my Marxist feminist mother, who did not like that.

**Joe Rogan** (2:02)
You were indoctrinated at an early age.

**Rachel Wilson** (2:04)
Well, she tried, but I was the why kid. I was the kid that's just like, why? Why? But why? And I had like a Rush Limbaugh dad.

**Joe Rogan** (2:14)
Wow.

**Rachel Wilson** (2:15)
Yeah, they got divorced. Shocker, who could have seen it coming? So they got divorced when I was like nine, and I had, so I grew up in like two worlds. I had like Republican business owner Rush Limbaugh dad, and I had Marxist feminist crazy mom.

**Joe Rogan** (2:28)
Was the mom always Marxist feminist? And was the dad always like a Rush Limbaugh Republican?

**Rachel Wilson** (2:34)
Yep.

**Joe Rogan** (2:35)
How did they fall in love? How did all that happen?

**Rachel Wilson** (2:37)
They didn't. I was an accident.

**Joe Rogan** (2:39)
Oh, so they just fall in lust.

**Rachel Wilson** (2:42)
I was like an oops baby. And my dad said that when he saw me, he was like, well, I don't want anybody else. Like, this is the only thing that matters to me. So I'm going to make this work. And he tried his best.

**Joe Rogan** (2:54)
How did they even hook up with such radically different ideologies?

**Rachel Wilson** (2:58)
I don't think they were talking about that sort of thing. When they got together, they were probably hanging out at a bar.

**Joe Rogan** (3:03)
Oh, so they didn't really know each other very well.

**Rachel Wilson** (3:06)
Not really. They were kind of like, they worked in the same place and met at work and then had like a fling and then I was born. Yeah. Yeah. So I had divorced parents. Yeah.
It was really rough because my mother hated my dad. She couldn't ever tell you anything he did wrong.

**Joe Rogan** (3:26)
Yeah.

**Rachel Wilson** (3:27)
It was just like he's a evil white patriarchist, bad Republican man. One of my earliest memories is them fighting over the Bush-Dukakis election in 88 and threatening to lock each other in the house so that the one couldn't cancel the other one's vote and stuff. Yeah. I know.

**Joe Rogan** (3:45)
Fun.

**Jamie** (3:45)
It was fun.

**Joe Rogan** (3:47)
Was this before after Kitty Dukakis drank mouthwash or what did she drink? She drank something like that aftershave or mouthwash to try to get drunk. Yeah. The pressure of the election must have been so insane. This is pre-social media, right? This lady was already struggling with alcoholism.