#2451 - Cheryl Hines

**Joe Rogan** (0:02)
Joe Rogan Podcast, checking in.

**Cheryl Hines** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Joe Rogan** (0:06)
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Joe.

**Joe Rogan** (0:14)
So good to see you.

**Cheryl Hines** (0:15)
It's really good to see you.

**Joe Rogan** (0:16)
What's happening?

**Cheryl Hines** (0:17)
Everything.

**Joe Rogan** (0:18)
Are you good? You all right?

**Cheryl Hines** (0:19)
Yeah, I am. I'm good now.

**Joe Rogan** (0:21)
Yeah?

**Cheryl Hines** (0:23)
Whoo. It's been a few years of chaos.

**Joe Rogan** (0:26)
I thought about you the moment Bobby said he was going to run for president. You were the first thing I thought of him.

**Cheryl Hines** (0:31)
Thank you.

**Joe Rogan** (0:32)
Because I'm a huge fan of Curb Your Enthusiasm. I thought you were amazing on that show.

**Cheryl Hines** (0:36)
Thank you.

**Joe Rogan** (0:37)
It's such a good show. It's maybe one of the greatest comedy shows of all time. Thank you. And I was like, she's not built for this.

**Cheryl Hines** (0:46)
Turns out I'm not built for this.

**Joe Rogan** (0:47)
Nobody is.

**Cheryl Hines** (0:48)
No, it's insane.

**Joe Rogan** (0:49)
Trump is the only person I've ever met that somehow or another survives it and seems exactly the same. But most people who are attacked like that, it's just like it is a natural human instinct when you are rejected by your tribe to feel terrified and filled with anxiety. But that's why people do it. And that's what encourages group think, because you're terrified and you wind up agreeing to things that are fucking insane.

**Cheryl Hines** (1:12)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (1:12)
Because you don't even know what you're agreeing to. You just don't want to be rejected by your tribe. And this is how they keep people involved in these, where ideologies eventually become cults.

**Cheryl Hines** (1:22)
Yes.

**Joe Rogan** (1:22)
And I think you could make a really good argument at both the right and the left, that in a certain section of each one of these political parties, it's a cult.

**Cheryl Hines** (1:33)
Yes. Because most of us are sort of in the center.

**Joe Rogan** (1:39)
Yes.

**Cheryl Hines** (1:39)
Right? And then you have the 10% on this side, the 10% on this side that are so extreme and loud, and they keep everybody fired up, and it is cult-like.

**Joe Rogan** (1:51)
Right. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird to watch intelligent people get captured in it. I was just watching this video with Bill Maher, and Bill Maher had Adam Carolla on, and Bill Maher was talking about how Jimmy Kimmel won't talk to him anymore. Like, they have this spat because of politics. Bill Maher is very much a left-wing person. He has been his whole life. He has not changed his opinions at all, but he's always been very reasonable and willing to criticize the left as well as the right. And I don't know if it was because he had dinner with Trump and he met with him, which is just crazy. You're not supposed to talk to people that are the president of the United States.

**Cheryl Hines** (2:28)
It is crazy. I know, I was just talking to Bill Maher, and we were talking about this. Yeah, because he was like, you said exactly what you said. I sat down and had dinner with the president, and people went insane. Yeah, and so people, listen, I know that feeling, because even when Bobby started running for president, even when he started running as a Democrat, people were angry.

**Joe Rogan** (2:53)
Well, they're just-

**Cheryl Hines** (2:54)
Democrats were angry.

**Joe Rogan** (2:55)
They're just mean. When it comes to politics, people just get so mean. It's like these are not the type of people you ever want in any position of power. People, the least charitable, most vicious people, the moment you are running against them in a political party, they will pull out all the stops, take things out of context, lie about you.

**Cheryl Hines** (3:14)
Yes.
Even if you're in their party, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

**Joe Rogan** (3:20)
A hundred percent.

**Cheryl Hines** (3:21)
That was challenging because Hollywood is competitive and it's hard and you're hustling, you're working really hard, but you're not trying to tear other people down. Right. So politics, as soon as you say, as soon as he said, well, no, I'm sorry. Before that, the people were coming after him.

**Joe Rogan** (3:49)
They were always coming after him.

**Cheryl Hines** (3:50)
They were always coming after him. But it kicked up a notch when he decided to run for president.

**Joe Rogan** (3:56)
Oh, big notch, I'm sure. Yeah.