#2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Anna Paulina Luna** (0:11)
So what did you think about the whole UFO thing before you got in the office?

**Joe Rogan** (0:15)
So I actually had, when I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an airfield manager, so I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit.
And so there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the guard. And I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it, and I was like, what was that? And they're like, hey, we can't really talk about it. And no one really wanted to address it. And so from what I had gathered, that had been likely a UAP. And so that kind of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in the generation of the X-Files, and I don't know if you remember, 94 Independence Day. So for me specifically, I didn't look at it with a crazy lens of perspective. I'm like, you never know if we're the only ones out there, essentially.

**Anna Paulina Luna** (1:02)
But why did you assume that if it's a top secret incursion, that he couldn't talk about that it wasn't just a military craft from another country?

**Joe Rogan** (1:09)
Because of the way that he was discussing it.

**Anna Paulina Luna** (1:10)
How did he, what did he say?

**Joe Rogan** (1:11)
So he had been, he didn't want to, from what I gather, get taken off flight status. And he's like, I really can't discuss it. We couldn't really identify it, essentially. And it had outperformed them. And so that was my first, from a military perspective, kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community. Do you want to lose your security clearance? What, you know, is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career?

**Anna Paulina Luna** (1:43)
But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet?

**Joe Rogan** (1:45)
Well, at the time, right, so an older platform, but he really didn't want to even talk about it. And I bring that up because now with our investigation and the task force that I run, actually the reason why the task force was formed was because of an event that happened at Eglen Air Force Base where both myself, Representative Matt Gates and Representative Tim Burchett actually had responded and gone to investigate multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred and they were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up.

**Anna Paulina Luna** (2:17)
Interesting.

**Joe Rogan** (2:18)
Yeah, so that was that and I'm happy to go into detail on that one, but what I will tell you is the stuff that I saw at Eglen, how the military responded, me being a former service member, and then ultimately what I saw with the pushback of the military, not even wanting to share with Congress information, which is a big problem because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people, the oversight body and you're being denied access, not just from a base commander, but high level up at the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense, it's a problem.

**Anna Paulina Luna** (2:46)
Do you think that it's possible that these are US vehicles that are top secret?

**Joe Rogan** (2:51)
I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the US government has, and I think that that tech can be housed within the defense contract realm, and of course some information is going to be classified, but I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy, but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, okay, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics, and a tech that potentially is out there that we don't have the ability to reproduce, because it would basically be like dropping a cell phone, right, back during the time of maybe cavemans. So like we just don't have the tech to develop it yet. What I can also tell you is based on our interviews, and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually able to ask some of the witnesses, you know, what are these things? And they keep saying interdimensional, and then when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of, you know, are these things pre-existing, maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension? That stuff can kind of all sound crazy, but at the end of the day, you know, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately from a congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government, I mean, there's budgetary issues, but there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently.